"changing cigarettes and alcohol to candy cigarettes and soda on the Playstation version of this M rated game"
Also other dumb supposed self-censorship, I found this accompanying picture. Because you know, dark nono humor in this fucked game full of nono jokes and fucked up content is NOT okay!
@Pawlicker@coolboymew i remember them giving goku a leaf to cover his penis in a dragonball episode, and it looked so low effort. like those old hanna barbera scenes where they would place a cell over a painted background and pretend nothing looked fishy.
@ChristiJunior@coolboymew SCEA censorship was worse than MS/Nintendo back in the day too, games like BMX XXX got censored on Sony (which is funny to think about). SCEA also was infamously stricter about what games could be released.
No really. I forget where I read it, but SCEA is why cult games like Global Defense Force did not get a USA release because it didn't meet the quality standards (which only got dropped in the Wii era, when Sony was letting any shovelware show up on the PS2 in the USA). But EDF 2017 got a 360 release and then Sony decided to let the others get released.
@Pawlicker@ChristiJunior Sony had always pushed for censorship it seems. Japanese may remember the "Sony check" which is apparently nothing new, on top of them being stingy for years for what actually came in the west or not
@Moon Now I have to argue with dumb fucks elsewhere again that self-censorship (ESPECIALLY ABOUT THIS FUCKING GAME OF ALL THINGS) is the exact same as censorship
@Pawlicker@coolboymew the actual fuck. LISA isn't supposed to be nice nice, the point of it is that it's a fucking apocalyptic wasteland with no women and yer doing your best to protect your adopted daughter from the predations of wicked men while battling a severe drug addiction.
@Pawlicker@ChristiJunior Not just that, they had something against 2D games in general on the PS1 IIRC. Capcom apparently had to cause a stink for NOA to fuck off
Then there's the PSP arbitrary "Ports must have x amount of new content" which means we missed out of a Megaman Legends collection in the west
@coolboymew@ChristiJunior Oh I know. There was a rumor that Sony on the PS3 had this bullshit "games must be 16;9" rule, which sounds a lot like the infamous Sega Saturn "games must be 3d" rule in the west that had some grain of truth to it.
Namely; this was fueled by the fact that the Xbox 360 had a strangely high number of shmup and older arcade ports compared to the PS3 (simply because until the end with Gal Gun, Microsoft was extremely lax in Japan). It had Raiden Fighters Aces, most of the Cave library from the PGM era to SDOJ, Virtual On Force, the one Radirgy port/collection, Ginga Force and Eschatos, Under Defeat HD, Triggerheart Exelica, and so many more obscure games.
When the PS4 came around, those games showed up on there only once in a while getting a XB1 port.
@Pawlicker@coolboymew Some years ago I did see a video about Sony censorship, and yeah, their censorship of fanservice especially goes way back.
They were however adamant about defending a scene in Resistance where a real-life church was shot up, before caving to the Muzzies and even delaying LittleBigPlanet just to censor it.
@coolboymew@Pawlicker The kind of shit that Sony has gotten away with is ridiculous, but I guess they make sure to bribe the game journos and play nice with the e-celebs.
@coolboymew@ChristiJunior I'm sure it must have eased up later on in the lifespan of the platform or in Japan given how many arcade ports were on the PS1.
@coolboymew@ChristiJunior I should add too, Sega was a lot laxer in Japan than Sony was with the PS1. Even after they clamped down on a very brief period in which they allowed NSFW games or similar, they were fucking allowing visual novels ported from the PC-98 with the sex scenes removed/replaced with after sex scenes. They were deliberately trying to court otaku and computer game ports with the Saturn for a period.
@get@caekislove@coolboymew Funny story with that game; the backlash that was caused by western journalists caused Japanese politicians to notice.
So as a result, for a while multiple developers of NSFW games (including some big names like Alice Soft) were putting up merited IP blocks for western/non Japanese IPs to send a message to journoscum and politicians to eat shit since they didn't want fat Americans at Kotaku to see any NSFW game and think "oh is this rapelay". Of course if you were going to pirate those games and translations you would anyway and over time developers of these games wound up signing deals for translations and official sales overseas when the heat died down. It's a very interesting tidbit I remember for some reason.
@coolboymew@Moon Well if it's mandatory changes, it's not really self-censorship, just regular censorship with forcing authors to do the shit themselves.
@lanodan@coolboymew censorship and self censorship are different but they are both the same in the sense that you couldn't get the original material because of a moral busybody
@Moon@lanodan They more or less end up being the same because of this reason yes. You can move goalposts all you want, but self-censorship usually still happens because of outside push
@lanodan@coolboymew self censorship is when you say to yourself "man I am not saying this out loud because I am afraid of the social consequences" it isn't when you voluntarily agree to cuts or your stuff won't be published.
@Moon@coolboymew To me: - Self-censorship is only when one chooses to not say something by their own choices - Censorship is when a block or mandatory change happens due to third-parties (state, distributors, …)
And trying to frame censorship as is it would be self-censorship seems like manipulation to me.
@lanodan@Moon yeah, but bad actors are Jim Sterling and co are poisoning the well very much about this. They're all acting as if there's no pushes that causes these kinda changes in the first place
@Pawlicker@ChristiJunior@coolboymew I remember soyny straight up denied the release of Shadow Tower Abyss (which was 99% localized) because it wasn't a gaylo killer. They almost denied the release of Demon's Souls too.
> man I am not saying this out loud because I am afraid of the social consequences (a few friends or family might be a bit bothered)
> man I am not saying this out loud because I am afraid of the social consequences (I'd probably get fired from my job (it's a broad cultural taboo that arose on its own over many generations))
> man I am not saying this out loud because I am afraid of the social consequences (I'd probably lose my job (there has been a coordinated effort by bad actors to steer the cultural landscape towards this outcome over the past several years))