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1. 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 02:42:29 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
   This place is a message... and part of a system of messages... pay attention to it!
   
   Sending this message was important to us. We considered ourselves to be a powerful culture.
   
   This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.
   
   What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger.
   
   The danger is in a particular location... it increases towards a center... the center of danger is here... of a particular size and shape, and below us.
   
   The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours.
   
   The danger is to the body, and it can kill.
   
   The form of the danger is an emanation of energy.
   
   The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 02:48:17 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     "I found it comforting to escape the world into a seemingly more accepting place."
     
     In all honesty it's worse than just the furry community. It's the entire internet at this point, not just one community. You think oh you're going to get accepted and all that happens is you meet low functioning retards, people who want to take advantage of you, and everyone is out of control (because mom and dad are too busy binging Netflix again or only focused on how much computer time you use and not what you do in front of it).
   • ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 02:48:18 JST ☻

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     @PhenomX6 That's tragic. The poor guy.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 04:05:00 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • arcanicanis
     @arcanicanis here it was drug use (my best friend online was a druggie and came off as a Trevor Moore impersonator) and then he was overdosing on benadryl and booze and Robitussin all the time.
     
     Seeing friends fall like that kept me out of drug use but they'd fall down the more psychosis fueled fandom areas and a few friends of mine who stayed sane keep asking how the fuck they all ended up like that.
   • arcanicanis (arcanicanis@were.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 04:05:01 JST arcanicanis

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     I can probably attest to some of the same, just lesser severity. Of being a stupidly naive kid on the internet, pulled into fandom things early, and only being able to distinguish the sensibility of a person based on their avatar and how well-spoken they are. Getting pulled in by art communities and webcomics, and gradually into weirder forms of content. Then later on when I had a vehicle, started to be involved in local fandom and staffing for conventions, while just looking past all the negatives and oddities.

     Started to get trapped into certain belief systems (the ones fairly exclusive to furry fandom) that only created excuses to have depression and ‘pity Olympics’. Then I actually started to browse around and actually see what a lot of the people of the fringe look like (of folks that I thought were sensible people), but when you just see what they look like, it becomes exceptionally obvious in just appearance and attire that something is way off with them, even to the most socially-underdeveloped of autists to see.

     Finally had some self-reflection, moved away from those fringes and beliefs, and have been a lot more functional since; but still somewhat ‘trapped’ into the general broad sphere of ‘furry fandom’ for friends/connections, since being with social outcasts during developmental years probably doesn’t help one’s social development. For a majority of folks I’ve kept an eye on over the years, it’s pretty much a ‘Hotel California’ where I just see people get sucked in, develop into the worst of habits, and despite however many times they ‘officially announce’ that they’re “leaving”, they’re always still stuck here.

     I feel bad for the next naive generation getting sucked in by catchy furry VR memes on TikTok and such, not knowing where they’re going to end up.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 06:41:53 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • arcanicanis

     Thinking back at my younger years around the furry scene, there’s a lot of things I do remember:

     • When I went to Anthrocon 2013, there were people with distinctly colored “underage” badges smoking (they were orange at Anthrocon in this era with Minor written on them, AC did not have an adult dealers den unlike FWA which did card people to go into the adult room).
     • The adult dealer’s den at FWA 2018 did in fact sell diapers next to sex toys. That is all that has to be said really. NSFW art though? Regular dealer’s den.
     • A lot of the furries at cons literally, do not give a shit if you have some niche interest that isn’t furry. The same goes with meets really. Old video games? Photography? You’re not guaranteed to find amounts of people into it. Go to an event dedicated to {hobby} if you are.
     • A lot of furries I met online were essentially basement dwelling neckbeards and I met far more of those than I did groomers in hindsight. Maybe I just didn’t attract groomers, I know for a fact this has changed now. Anyhow, these furries were literally what you think of DeviantArtists if you trolled them back in the day. They’re shut ins incapable of talking to you about anything other than cooming or some weird kind of autism and you might get lucky if you get to talk to them about that.
     • 2017 or so was when the fandom really began to get political (I’m not going to retell the story of RMFC and how it was a good example of two people watching different movies in the same theater), but two things happened in 2018. First Zoe Quinn got furry art (no really: https://archive.fo/G1TLg), and also I went to FWA 2018 with a friend who in just 2-3 years would no longer even be on speaking terms.
     • Speaking of the two cons I went to, there was vastly more political, pronoun shit, and similar than there was in 2013 in both the dealer’s den and clothing. To quote Zero HP, a bloodless cultural revolution happened circa 2015 across all forms of culture and it definitely existed in the furry fandom. Nobody wore pride shit in 2013 like they did in 2018 because being a sexual deviant was kind of expected, but they were happy to ironically wear shirts that said “FUR FAG” in a parody of the RUN DMC logo.
     • The circles I was around really liked kemono art, most of them don’t repost that on Twitter anymore preferring to repost “validating” art instead. Aesthetics went out of fashion with who I used to follow for sure, and it’s something others have picked up on too.
     • When the Nazi furry scare burnt itself out or the furries declared anyone with political views to the right of Lenin to be purged (with the exception of tankies like Pepper Coyote), they went after anyone and everyone for drawing the wrong kind of art. Weebs online know this shit too well but it happens with furries too. In fact, the picture he replied to was a WORDS WORDS WORDS meme shitting on that.
     • Despite this, it isn’t new. If you were into things some furries didn’t like such as anthropomorphic vehicles on FurAffinity circa 2012, you’d get flamed for it. That’s changed now as FurAffinity has a category for this.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 06:47:35 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • arcanicanis
     Also:
     >For a majority of folks I’ve kept an eye on over the years, it’s pretty much a ‘Hotel California’ where I just see people get sucked in, develop into the worst of habits, and despite however many times they ‘officially announce’ that they’re “leaving”, they’re always still stuck here.
     
     I'd argue it's different now. They don't announce they're leaving. They just double/triple down on it and attack you for not respecting their identity. This of course is combined with the paradigm shift online; you're never the problem, the world is. The trans community is the perfect example of this, and it's why it's going to end really badly for many people. It's going to be far harder to admit that the shot either didn't work or gave people serious side effects than it is to admit you cut your penis/tits off and fucked up your body's hormone levels because the groomers on Discord/Twitter told you to, and there's already lawsuits.
     
     https://www.foxnews.com/media/de-transitioned-teen-sues-kaiser-permanente-performing-double-mastectomy-intentional-fraud
     https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/another-california-teen-sues-medical-provider-double-mastectomy-transgender-hormones
   • Shauni (shauni@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 07:25:54 JST Shauni

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     @PhenomX6 >alone
     >can't get out of nasty habits
     >regretful of his past misdeeds
     That man needs Jesus.
     🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 likes this.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jul-2023 07:26:01 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Shauni
     @Shauni and less time online