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1. Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 05:09:06 JST Jeff Cliff

   • 💚🌲💙⭐⭐Romulus / Keith 🌹🍺✌⚽
   • NEETzsche
   • Erin Reed
   @NEETzsche @ssfckdt @ErinInTheMorn bodily autonomy is a value that is a right, generally
   
   if what you're doing to your own body isn't harming anyone, you should be allowed to do it. I'm glad my vasectomy was covered under the healthcare system here, and that masectomies are too. They are live changing, almost entirely unambiguously positive experiences. As far as the 'requiring doctors to do it' part, it's part of the work of being a doctor in canada that you work for the public, what they do is generally up to the patient.
   • NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-2023 05:09:27 JST NEETzsche

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     • 💚🌲💙⭐⭐Romulus / Keith 🌹🍺✌⚽
     • Erin Reed
     @jeffcliff @ssfckdt @ErinInTheMorn See, the fact that you live in a country that has nationalized medicine in general, creates a certain tension between what individual patients want and what's best for your civilization. You can make a personal autonomy argument pretty much without restraint in more lolbertarian societies, but because your society is decidedly not lolbertarian, that argument loses a lot of steam. It would be trivial to argue, for example, that you have an obligation to marry and reproduce in pursuance of continuing your civilization. In fact, because the personal autonomy argument has lost so much weight in every other circumstance in Canada, one could argue that women should have to face spinster taxes for not having any kids past a certain age.
     
     But in reality your government is engaging in this double think where, on the one hand, you're "overpopulated" and therefore need to have fewer kids, but on the other, they need to import more Chinese and Indian people because your native population is having so few children. It's pretty transparent that it's just a population replacement scheme