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It is a mistake to seek to prevent debate on trans rights. We need to win the arguments – not ban the arguments | Andy Brown
#Bylines #Transgender #TransRightsAreHumanRights
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/transgender-rights-everything-old-is-new-again/
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Christine Burns MBE 🏳️⚧️📚⧖
@YorksBylines We won the arguments across the board by legal and activist engagement processes between the late eighties and the mid noughties. Trans rights were won fair and square by hard work. As one of the team that won those rights and made the questions settled I object to people trying to rerun the ‘debate’ to get a different result. That could only happen by stripping back our rights and you can’t expect people to acquiesce to chicanery built on lies and fear mongering.
Jessie Rowbum :progress_pride:
@YorksBylines Those arguments were "won" long ago, this is rolling back the clock (80s LG folk may get a sense of deja-vu as well). Ultimately my existence is not up for some sort of both-sides debate.
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Paul
@YorksBylines let me ask you a question
Should Jews be allowed to exist freely?
Should we have a debate on this issue?
Would you want to give the opposing view (which is *not*, I stress, my view) the platform to broadcast to an audience, no matter if you were confident of winning the debate?
The right of people to exist is not a matter of debate. It is final. Absolute. And any prick who says differently does not deserve the airtime to seriously discuss it with.
Sarah
@miss_s_b @christineburns @YorksBylines@bylines.social just got themselves a shiny server block.
🦇 Jennie Rigg 🏳️🌈 (she/her)
@christineburns depressing that even people who are nominally on the right side still are trying to legitimise debate. I'm not trans but I am queer and it's EXHAUSTING to continually have your right to exist in public "debated" by people who do not know what that feels like. @YorksBylines
Sarah
@miss_s_b @christineburns in fact, sod it, they get defederated. Bye, Felicia!
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Sabrina✨
@YorksBylines I’m not going to debate the fact that I exist
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Martin Kelly
@Rasterman@detroitriotcity.com @YorksBylines @BylinesNetwork actually it seems it is on a lot of shitlists already after checking around. Just not on Hachyderm’s or bylines
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Martin Kelly
@Rasterman @YorksBylines for some reason https://detroitriotcity.com/registration isn’t on a broadly circulated #fediblock list which seems like an oversight. Good to see @BylinesNetwork drawing the kind of support you’d expect for this kind of journalism tho
Martin Kelly
@YorksBylines sorry folks. No space on my timeline or in my wallet for people still treating the bigots as “having reasonable concerns”
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Ellis C
@YorksBylines it also suggests that it is trans people who shout abuse. Hardly so. There aren't very many terfs and gender critical types over here on Mastodon - because they are happily having their accounts reinstated on Twitter where they are very vocally shouting abuse.
Why isn't the abuse from anti-trans bigots illustrated? It's hardly like it is difficult to find.
Ellis C
@YorksBylines I've been thinking about this more and it is absolutely awful.
We don't do this with other minorities, we don't cloud a white supremacist in the language of "a Caucasian" and then pivot to a false situation speaking of a black person who is painted into a false position of relative power. This is a carefully chosen framing, to make it seem like the average woman is the underdog who is being impacted by these discussions. She isn't.
Ellis C
@YorksBylines and further, this falsely suggests that there hasn't been a solution for trans athletes. There has. The solution in fact worked so well, favouring cisgender women, that it wasn't even a matter for the past decades where there have been testosterone level monitoring of trans athletes (who have won very, very little).
This really illustrates the entire problematic framing of the article. It entirely ignores that many of the "problems" are settled and solved.
Ellis C
@YorksBylines my established rights, as small as they are as a non-binary person, aren't up for debate and trying to frame things as a question and argument that needs to be won again gives credence to transphobic positions that seek to remove established rights.
I honestly thought Bylines was better than this.
Ellis C
@YorksBylines "If a woman asks questions about how trans rights should work in highly paid competitive international sport, it is better to debate the issue and work out solutions than it is to shout abuse."
This is an absolutely terrible straw argument and it makes it clear what the article is actually trying to do. No trans person suggests this, instead we advocate following the science and ensuring policies such as reducing T levels.
Ellis C
@YorksBylines and here I thought Bylines would be a decent left-leaning news source that wouldn't fall into the casual and lazy transphobia for clicks that the rest of the media did.
Guess I was quite wrong on this.
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Martin Kelly
@PhenomX6 @YorksBylines yeah. They are doing a poor job of flushing you lot in advance definitely
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elizabeth veldon
@YorksBylines fuck off.
my right to exist is not a matter of debate you transphobic pricks.
LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿
@ArdainianRight @YorksBylines @paulbottomley42
You should pin this to your account.
Hope 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏴 SNP
@YorksBylines there is NO debate to be had about the right of people to exist. All you are doing is enabling purveyors of genocide. Is that really your standpoint. And quite frankly, what the hell do you know about what it means to be Transgender. Such a disappointing and ignorant response.
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
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Ellis C
@elizabethveldon @YorksBylines and that isn't even just on Twitter, it's everywhere!
Then again, it's clearly better journalism to ignore all of the blatant transphobia, gender critical "leaders" calling for our numbers to be reduced, all of the slurs, all of the personal images shared without consent, the surgical images designed to shock, the obvious lies from detransitioners and instead find those low follower, false-flag, pretend trans accounts being mean.
elizabeth veldon
@EllisCrawford @YorksBylines such as when they openly advocate for genocide.
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