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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 17:50:47 JST Aral Balkan

   Some fediverse instance admins: “How cool, Meta invited us to the adult table.”

   Yes, they did.

   Because you’re what’s for dinner.

   #fediverse #mastodon #meta #Project92

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 18:50:34 JST Aral Balkan

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     • sanjay191_18

     @sanjay191_18 No idea. Have my suspicions from threads I’ve seen but I’ll keep them to myself until there’s proof.

   • sanjay191_18 (sanjay191_18@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 18:50:35 JST sanjay191_18

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     @aral Do you know which instances got invited?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 19:44:28 JST Aral Balkan

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     • bossito 🇪🇺

     @Bossito There is a world of difference between them implementing a protocol and the community that already uses that protocol welcoming them with a red carpet.

     If you don‘t see a problem, you haven’t been paying attention. Look at what happened to the web. XMPP. Email. Look up embrace, extend, extinguish.

     None of what we‘re worried about is conjecture. It is based on past experience with the enclosure of the commons by Silicon Valley venture capitalists, startups, and public corporations.

   • bossito 🇪🇺 (bossito@mastodon.green)'s status on Monday, 19-Jun-2023 19:44:29 JST bossito 🇪🇺

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     @aral I honestly don't see the problem of them joining the fediverse and anyway that's something they can do without permission.. Most people here won't leave for them just because they join, but many more people will be able to see what's going on here, and wasn't that the point?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 14:47:54 JST Aral Balkan

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     • vincent

     @vncntx At the beginning, nothing. Once #Meta/Facebook/Instagram’s #Project92 is the largest instance, they’ll start making “improvements” to the protocol. Other instances will have to implement them to federate. At that point, they’ll be running the show.

     (If we let them. And by “we”, I mean the largest instances. mastodon.social and the other largest instances could nip this in the bud now if they wanted to. But I hear they’re out signing NDAs…)

     #embrace #extend #extinguish

   • vincent (vncntx@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 14:47:55 JST vincent

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     @aral I am not as well-informed about this as I should be. What’s so bad with Meta joining the fediverse? What else are other instances expected to do except to receive and send activity pub messages to Meta’s federated instance?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 15:33:00 JST Aral Balkan

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     • vincent

     @vncntx Because unless you learn from history, you’re doomed to repeat it.

     (Which, clearly, it seems we are.)

     🤷♂️

   • vincent (vncntx@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 15:33:01 JST vincent

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     @aral That attitude makes me quite uncomfortable. It seems like an overreaction to something that hasn't even happened yet. If #Meta wants to implement the #ActivityPub standard, let them. That's the point of an open standard. If Meta wants to contribute to its development, we should welcome it. Some good things have come out of Facebook Engineering in the past. Why not wait until they do something bad before taking action?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 16:31:59 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new:
     • vincent

     @paul @vncntx They don’t have to. They’ll write “oops” think pieces and do speaking tours where they recount how the fediverse was lost and how they’re feel terrible about the role they unknowingly played and how they’re now launching their next project to recapture the spirit of the early fediverse after quitting their job at Facebook/Meta/Instagram/whatever-the-fuck-it’ll-be-called-by-then 🤷♂️

   • Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new: (paul@notnull.click)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 16:32:01 JST Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new:

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     • vincent
     @aral @vncntx exactly this. for those of us that have seen this sort of thing happen many times before, (by many companies, not just facebook, but facebook have also historically been a culprit) we're right to be cautious.
     
     Meta sympathisers: Fast forward two or three years and prove us otherwise
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 16:35:38 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new:
     • vincent

     @paul @vncntx (Meanwhile, the Small Web will be up and running by then so hopefully some of us at least won’t have to know or care about their bullshit.)

     🤞

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 22:38:14 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Alx 🐈
     • Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new:
     • vincent

     @alx Will do :) 💕

     @paul @vncntx

   • Alx 🐈 (alx@mastodon.design)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 22:38:15 JST Alx 🐈

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     • Paul Wilde :blobcatnim_new:
     • vincent

     @aral @paul @vncntx I'll be happy to join it, regardless of how all this drama will ends, so please keep us updated :)