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🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 07:51:24 JST 
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Wayland shills when they talk about what they really use - xianc78 likes this.
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¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:24:33 JST 
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@PhenomX6
I hate to break the bad news to him, but his hardware is just too off brand and that's why he's getting bad video driver support. Wayland is not fixing anything, it's just better at using LLVM for video stuff (CPU rendering). I know this because I have a rockchip arm64 that for whatever reason the Lima driver in Linux won't work with it. So I used sway on that board and yes screen-tearing went away, but CPU usage went way up, because it was using CPU rendering for video. A lot people don't realize that Linux's video driver support is still kind of half baked and a lot of CPU render tricks are used behind the scenes. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:25:31 JST
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@james @charlie_root it does for kde but shits jank in a lot of ways -
James-PE (Starnix) :dinosaur: (james@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:25:32 JST 
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@charlie_root @PhenomX6 Does Wayland have features for touchscreen users, such as the Pinephone? Wayland may have some good features, but it’s still not fully stable yet and we shall continue to stay with X11. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:26:40 JST
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@james @charlie_root @dcc xorgs security holes existed due to its architecture from the 90s namely due to its history of being used in networked workstations.
There was an openbsd effort to lock it down. -
James-PE (Starnix) :dinosaur: (james@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:26:41 JST
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@dcc @charlie_root @PhenomX6 Well maybe Wayland wasn’t really necessary after all. Neither would’ve been my AMD card, or a reason for any applications to be Wayland-only. We should’ve all learned to live with Xorg. It remained stable and didn’t have security holes, right? -
James-PE (Starnix) :dinosaur: (james@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:26:42 JST
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@dcc @charlie_root @PhenomX6 But does Xorg lack features like multitouch and fractional scaling? -
† top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:26:42 JST 
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@james @charlie_root @PhenomX6 mutli touch? you mean gestures? xorg has that. > fractional scaling
xorg has that to :facebook_frog: -
† top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:26:43 JST
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@charlie_root @PhenomX6 xorg works better on the pinephone, yet they keep pushing wayshit onto the pinephone. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:28:07 JST
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@james @charlie_root @dcc the other big issue with x11 was each vendor having their own custom extensions for say 3d. See; sgi as an example. -
James-PE (Starnix) :dinosaur: (james@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:30:08 JST
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@PhenomX6 @charlie_root @dcc Maybe that’s what Wayland tried to fix out of many things. It’s more “modern” because it was redesigned without the old purpose in mind. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:30:08 JST
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@james @charlie_root @dcc well if you talk to boomers they'll tell you x11 is why desktop Linux never happened and will point to Android, apple, iOS, and ChromeOS.
None of those four also use Wayland either. -
¢нαяℓιє яσσт (dorkbsd@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:30:21 JST 
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@james @dcc @PhenomX6 @charlie_root
Xorg security problems are usually physical access only exploits, not remote. And the big ones have been found and fixed. A lot of people are operating off bugs found 7+ years ago (that were fixed) to make current decisions. You are more likely to get pwned remotely via a zeroday in your web browser than X11.🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 likes this. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:31:40 JST
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@dorkbsd @charlie_root @dcc @james or even older "exploits" like forcing windows to render on someone else's workstation and similar, back when unix boxes also were known for remote root exploits.
That was one I haven't experimented with myself but I've read stories about it happening in the days of sparcstations. -
James-PE (Starnix) :dinosaur: (james@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:33:17 JST
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@dcc @charlie_root @PhenomX6 Maybe it’s because there aren’t that many minimal/hackable wayland compositors. There is sway and wayfire but they aren’t as customizable as some of the X11 window managers such as AwesomeWM. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:33:17 JST
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@james @charlie_root @dcc there's also years worth of x11 window managers and desktop environments and you can still use something like CDE on modern Linux -
† top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:33:18 JST
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@PhenomX6 @charlie_root @james *looks at all the way shit compositors* :dude_surprised: -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:37:40 JST
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@MischievousuTomatosu @charlie_root @dcc @james NeXTSTEP never used x11 either iirc -
Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:37:41 JST 
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@PhenomX6 @charlie_root @dcc @james >android
just linux kernel, everything else is custom
> apple, ios
it focused on giving a good experience and apple doesn't pussyfoot around when they want to get rid of something -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:38:46 JST
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@MischievousuTomatosu @charlie_root @dcc @james you know what apple did with nextstep when they bought them right
It became Mac OS X -
Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:38:47 JST
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@PhenomX6 @charlie_root @dcc @james thT shit old bro -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:17 JST
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@victor @paulo @bronze @deprecated_ii Wayland doesn't work fully with my graphic tablet even if it draws quicker. Wayland kde has a broken control panel for it, the devs know, it's not fixed. -
Victor (victor@crucible.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:18 JST 
Victor
@paulo @PhenomX6 @bronze @deprecated_ii I've been trying Wayland with GNOME...Just a basic Ubuntu install, nothing fancy about it. About as normie as it gets, Linux-wise.
It just randomly freezes all the time, sometimes for a minute, sometimes permanently until I hard reset. Xorg never did that. -
Paulo (paulo@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:19 JST 
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@bronze @PhenomX6 @deprecated_ii >KDE bug from what ive seen
why blame kde
it works on xorg
doesn't on wayland
it's a wayland problem
wayland niggers can cry all they want, but it's quite simple
xorg works, wayland doesn't likes this. -
d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:20 JST 
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@bronze @PhenomX6 last time I was paying attention the consensus was wayland was definitely not ready for prime time
and now we've jumped to "everybody needs to use wayland"
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bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:20 JST 
bronze
@deprecated_ii @PhenomX6
>what did I miss along the way
just another "dev" whining bitching crying and malding about people using xorg instead of gayland
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Asahi-Linux-Stop-X.Org
>wayland was definitely not ready for prime time
to be fair to all the gayland users I did try it out on KDE earlier this week and the experience wasnt too bad, there were some visual glitches with one of the menus and the firefox icon didnt show correctly on the taskbar (KDE bug from what ive seen), but everything else seems to be working correctly (as in it puts the windows on the screen)
i just hate the whole push for it, it reminds me of the rust evangelism and it doesnt help that its the same low-T / troons pushing for its forced adoption -
bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:21 JST
bronze
@PhenomX6 oh yeah I saw the phoronix article where he was crying about X
"P-please stop using Xorg!" -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:46:41 JST
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@victor @paulo @bronze @deprecated_ii https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/twviuu/plasma_wayland_and_graphic_tablets/ "but Wayland is ready guys you don't get it" -
Victor (victor@crucible.world)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:21:57 JST
Victor
@PhenomX6 @paulo @bronze @deprecated_ii They're trying to meme it into production the same way AAA games work now. It never goes well. 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 likes this. -
御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:22:00 JST 
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@bronze @deprecated_ii @PhenomX6 >low-T / troons
>asahi lina
yeah🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 likes this. -
EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:22:40 JST 
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@PhenomX6 @victor @paulo @bronze @deprecated_ii Not to mention a lot of times the retardation and issues attributed to x11 and xorg are in fact systemd.udev retardation and issues, amazing how eudev is way better on the regard of properly reporting devices.
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bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:24:22 JST
bronze
@hakui @PhenomX6 @deprecated_ii
I never fail to laugh when I hear this dude's falsetto LMAO
Dont even get me started on his friend fox"girl" luna :jahy_laugh: -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:24:22 JST
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@bronze @deprecated_ii @hakui when will there be a schizo programming streamer with tts song request donations -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:28:27 JST
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@hakui @bronze @deprecated_ii you can tell it's low t as fuck because real programmers have either racial slur filled streams or just silent as they're coding and maybe talking to chats. -
御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:28:28 JST
御園はくい
@bronze @PhenomX6 @deprecated_ii they have a mastadong instance now, that's when i was made aware of their existence
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