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1. 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:23:16 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
   So KF/Josh released a statement (the attachment) after their latest outage and it's very telling and I'll go into why.
   
   The public statement essentially says that "Alt-Tech" needs to create an alliance against censorship and intimidation, and for a good reason. KF is now essentially in an 8chan situation, but with a few differences.
   
   The whole reason KF has had issues staying up when everyone else online has moved the fuck on is because of a certain ex-Google employee with a "consent accident" named Liz that everyone has nicknamed "dong gone", who now works at a tech startup. Said employee has been trying really hard to scrub his antics off the internet, including harassing KF with a @google.com email address on behalf of someone else, the "consent accident", and a HackerNews comment alleging he was close to open pedos.
   
   In a way, it's very similar to 8chan and Fred's crusade to eradicate imageboards from the internet (complete with sanitizing aspects the past) but there's a few key differences; but the important one is Fred was ex-8chan and did it out of petty revenge (and cozying up with generic woke furries), Liz kept on poking the bear. Many of the same tactics are at play, from media hit pieces to harassing the right people.
   
   Anyhow, anywhere KF goes Liz will harass the shit out of the people behind the site, from "girl talk" early in the morning to going after family members. When that fails, he'll use the Sleeping Giants/similar activist trick of making companies move hosts to pressure them into dropping KF.
   
   So what Josh calls for is an alliance of Alt-Tech companies to find a datacenter that supports them and lets them host. Aside from the fact that this can very well be a single point of failure or asking to get hacked by some skid wanting to make a name for himself in the left (this is exactly why Epik was targeted and why some have said we shouldn't centralize on using only BuyVM), there's one other problem: KF literally doesn't have many allies.
   
   When your site goes around pissing off everyone in groups on the internet that might give a shit about your issues or support you, they're not going to care. They're going to want your site to go down too and they won't care because they'll think you deserved it. A lot of the reasons why tech libertarians were willing to host fringe Neo Nazi websites back in the day is because they weren't personally going after them.
   
   Which is the #1 takeaway from the KF thing. You want to have allies online, not enemies, and you want to be as drama free as possible. Drama is what hurt attempts at bunker imageboards (let alone the CP spam/fedposting that plagues some altboards), and it will hurt attempts at getting friends because they will remember what you did to them last year.
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   • gray (gray@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:30:17 JST gray

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     @PhenomX6 I get what you're saying but the whole purpose of KF is for drama and making fun of idiots online. Unfortunately some of those idiots are very powerful and well connected.
     
     How does KF survive without changing what they are? Other than going TOR only and sticking with hidden services which Josh has said he'll never do.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:33:55 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6
     >Drama is what hurt attempts at bunker imageboards (let alone the CP spam/fedposting that plagues some altboards), and it will hurt attempts at getting friends because they will remember what you did to them last year.

     In the case of the 8/v/ alts, most just wanted an excuse to get away from Mark. Others were sick of GamerGate threads taking up most of the activity.

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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:34:07 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • gray
     IMO, the trick would be to be "leaner". What I mean by that is, smaller websites run by different people focusing on different parts of the web, and also not being as high profile as KF was.
     
     For example lolcow.farm and this now dead site called PrettyUglyLittleLiar have a different focus: namely they're for women and by women talking about people online that piss them off (namely troons, Onision, fatasses/mukbang channels, etc.). They don't have nearly as much trouble being hosted because they focus on mocking a few groups online and are much lower profile.
     
     It's the same problem IA is facing now IMO, they tried to be too much in one site and it's backfiring. I remember another archivist who ran his own archival site said it best, IA's method of archival was shoot first ask questions last (like when someone DMCAs) and that's what led to the publisher lawsuit. It's too big to easily self host as well.
     
     ED has also lived on for years because it's much easier to rehost or mirror a wiki than it is a forum.
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:45:12 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Milo :gphn_verified:
     The thing with these tactics is the large scale ones don't work on multiple sites at once, and the psychotic stalkers have to be really psychotic or feel like they have nothing to lose to keep up the level Liz has, which means you end up with the shooter mindset at that point.
     
     Case in point; the Capitol Gazette shooter was someone who shot up a newspaper because they ran some news story critical of him years ago. Most people don't hold grudges as long as Liz does, sure troons do but even then troons tend to shift to new targets until they remember they had a grudge against someone else.
   • Milo :gphn_verified: (milo@anthro.cc)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:45:13 JST Milo :gphn_verified:

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     @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com naturally, these tactics will continued to be used even if KF manages to get back online again.
     
     And if they don't. it's the start of the end.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:48:59 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
     I never paid too much attention to the /v/ alts but I heard from a friend part of what happened, namely the split over loli posting, Mark, and how Mark flip flopped between bunkers, 8kun, then his own board again.
     
     Others are literally dead unfortunately and many of the people are now on the fedi I'm sure.
   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:56:37 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     @PhenomX6 if i was a hoster i would give KF the middle finger too. Gossip site with people that are incredibly impossible to like, with an insane amount of baggage? no thank u
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:58:58 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 Mark ran vch which was on the webring. He only intended to run it until 8kun was ready. Once he shutdown vch, most people went to julay. Eventually Mark had enough of the 8kun rebranding and new policies, wrote an open letter to Jim and Ron, and later got fired. He and Acid launched 8chan.moe which is the closest thing to the original 8chan. 8chan.moe is still pretty active, at least the /v/ board is. All the popular boards on 8chan have (semi)-active alts on either 8moe or any of the webring boards.

     Yeah a lot of former 8chan users are on the Fedi now, from what I can tell. Either that or they went to niche forums like RPGCodex. I most of them would rather be on 8chan though, especially with all the nonstop pepe, wojack, and gigachad posts on here. Instances like Poast seem to align more with 4chan than 8chan in terms of culture.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 01:59:04 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     I don't even think the users there would rehost it, even the users there would probably run some splinter site away from Josh.
     
     Assuming they don't ditch the site for good after downtime #42069.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:00:40 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     KF is so high profile at this point that someone who has baggage will say "it came from these people faking shit" blindly to try to discredit everything and everything and then someone posting the evidence of the scummy shit will have to say "no it didn't" or give them more proof it's real.
   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:00:41 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     @PhenomX6 they do good at archiving nasty shit people do, but at the same time they became nasty people. They are also fighting a lost battle anyway. Even if they were nice, it'd be hard to not fall due to the attacks of dong-jones
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:01:46 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
     I actually miss /furry/ and some of the similar stuff, and that's honestly why I'm going to get around to hosting a furry fedi instance that's more or less "alternative", or at least something similar even if it's a forum.
     
     Though I would discourage drama posting since aside from not wanting to be KF 2 I also want quality posting.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:03:51 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • RyokoPilled
     My issue with KF too is they're acting as a foil for any sort of pushback against people like Liz. I saw this same shit play out in another scene, and you'll notice that the center of the pushback isn't KF for a reason.
   • RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:03:52 JST RyokoPilled

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     @PhenomX6 i dislike KF but i hate sociopathic trannies more. guys like Elliot "Liz" Fong have been trooning out and using their protected minority status to get away with murder for years and i'm sick of it.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:34 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     Not even people with power, someone who his site had a thread on actually visited his old house IRL when he was living there.
   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:35 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     @PhenomX6 even so, as demonstrated, people with power can simply fuck josh's life. I'm quite surprised he's not dead already
   • RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:40 JST RyokoPilled

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     @PhenomX6 yeah i feel like Josh trying to make this about him and his website is a problem, the focus should be on Elliot genuinely harassing people because he's a rapist
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:06:19 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:
     It's also reckless. You can't run a website that acts as the internet retard phone book with no standards other than "this guy pisses me off" without expecting shit to happen.
   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:06:20 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     @PhenomX6 yeah. he does risky shit.
   • 》g r e y《:uv:☦️ (grey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:14:46 JST 》g r e y《:uv:☦️

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     @PhenomX6 If KF wanted to build alliances, shitting up a (formerly) friendly fediverse instance when theirs has downtime, to the point of harassing their admin until they resign, is a pretty good way to not to. Their users will dox and harass you with much more enthusiasm than a tranny journo. I really can't bring myself to feel bad for them.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:21:12 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 Also, Mark's moderation on vch was the absolute worst. He was using an outdated version of vichan (the only PHP imageboard software that supported the webring), and his lack of technical knowledge only contributed to it. If you got banned, all the posts under your IP were deleted, and knowing him some of the bans were of stupid reasons (he actually banned people for necrobumping). He also told people to "tone down the Nazi posting" because he thought that his bunker would also be targeted after what happened to 8chan and the then-recent mass shooting where he was mentioned in the manifesto.

     Some anons got so pissed at him that they bot-spammed threads insulting him in retaliation (which was easier since it was running on outdated software). Mark's solution was to put the site behind Cloudflare which broke federation with the webring.

     People also didn't like how Mark was quick to jump onto 8kun as soon as it was ready. At that point, most anons agreed that they were better off with the webring which was decentralized as opposed to keeping all their eggs in one basket. Most people moved to Julay, but Julay users were sick of nonstop GamerGate and idpol discussions. They actually wanted to talk about good games and not about how trannies are ruining the industry 24/7.

     Eventually, Julay went to shit because the owner regretted adding too many boards which he felt hurt the decentralization of the webring, so he killed a bunch of boards and moved them to different servers, with /v/ and /cow/ being the only major boards still on there. The owner of Julay was working on a project known as Final Solution which was supposed to be the Fediverse of imageboards, but that never materialized.

     Most of the smaller boards on the ring had trouble because the owners were inexperienced with servers and hosting. Most of them went to 8chan.moe after it launched, and the userbases have been split ever since.

     At least 8moe/v/ seems to actually be gaining users (presumably users who are rediscovering it). Only problem with it is that it's behind Cloudflare and Mark disabled Tor posting on /v/ (the only way to post without CF) because he was fed up with Luciano and niggerpill shitting up threads. (Though this is only a problem if Cloudflare bothers you)

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:29:45 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 I miss /liberty/ because there was literally no other libertarian imageboard out there. 8chan.moe has one but it's dead. It seems to have been bot-spammed by the same LibertyPatroit bot on the fedi. It was never truly active, even on the original 8chan, but ever since the split, it has never been the same since. Though recently, zzzchan create one, but there are only a few threads right now. Really a fucking shame because all the libertarian discussions online are happening on Telescam which I refuse to sign up for.

     Surprisingly, the /leftypol/ bunker seems to be more active that all the /pol/ bunkers combined. They were never on the webring and they outright refused to return to 8kun or be a part of 8moe.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:31:30 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
     The problem with furries is none of them knew enough/cared to make a bunker because being furries their idea of a "bunker" was to go offsite to Telegram/Skype/Discord/etc (worst idea ever lmao). Or they have a self fulfilling prophecy any site they make will die overnight.
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     • Himbo Techbro
     Nope he literally did this today on TG.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:31:51 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @PhenomX6 You sure this is a new statement? Looks like the one he put up last year.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:33:04 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
     >People also didn't like how Mark was quick to jump onto 8kun as soon as it was ready. At that point, most anons agreed that they were better off with the webring which was decentralized as opposed to keeping all their eggs in one basket. Most people moved to Julay, but Julay users were sick of nonstop GamerGate and idpol discussions. They actually wanted to talk about good games and not about how trannies are ruining the industry 24/7.
     
     They're not wrong tbh, especially not with how 8chan proved eggs in a basket is a bad idea (or Reddit with censorship).
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:04:05 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 Yeah looking back on it, 8chan being the Reddit of imageboards was a terrible idea. Just look at how Reddit killed forums.

     Even before 8chan, you could find a lot of niche imageboards and textboards outside of 4chan. There was one for TF2 fans, Shrek fans, MLP fans, furries, drug-addicts, even one for train enthusiasts. Imageboards shouldn't be that difficult to host. Vichan is written in PHP so it should be possible to run on a shared host. The only issue you have to deal with is moderation.

     The webring should've been the future of imageboards, but the user split, technical illiteracy, the fact that the imageboard software that supports the webring lacks certain features that 8chan had like certain markup options, drama between sites, and people wanting to go back to 8kun hoping it would be like 8chan mostly killed it. You even had sort of an equivalent to the fediblock culture you see on here where some site owners would blacklist other boards on their webrings for retarded reasons.

     The webring is still around and some boards are still (semi)-active, but most of the active boards are on either zzzchan or anon.cafe, with Sportschan and AlogsSpace for sports and lolcow discussions respectively.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:26:23 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 8chan.moe's /fur/ seems to be (semi)-active. Fchan still exists along with tgfb.net, but I don't know what /fur/ or /furry/ thinks of those sites.

     An imageboard for furries should be a no-brainer. I bet most furries want to be as anonymous as possible and there has to be some of them that realize that Telegram isn't actually private (that thing requires a mobile phone number for fucks sake).

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   • Freddie The Fed:gondola_head::real_gun_r::verified: (freddie_the_fed@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:34:35 JST Freddie The Fed:gondola_head::real_gun_r::verified:

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     @PhenomX6 The chaos kikes want a build alliance?
     
     The second anyone does they backstab them they have no alignments not even to the josh is safe from the bullshit theyre not the same.
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   • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:35:58 JST ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️

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     @PhenomX6 Funny you mention 8chan because we former 8chan anons affectionately called Josh "Jewsh" for a very good reason.
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 04:15:46 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
     >An imageboard for furries should be a no-brainer. I bet most furries want to be as anonymous as possible and there has to be some of them that realize that Telegram isn't actually private (that thing requires a mobile phone number for fucks sake).
     
     There's several problems with that. Problem #1 is that furries are namefags by nature, even when they make new identities they will username and avatar reuse everywhere.
     
     The other problems of course deal with the fact that imageboard furries are cut from a different cloth from normie furries, and I mean they have views the mainstream orthodoxy of the fandom would hate. Aside from politics of course, there's namely a hatred for Patreon and what it's done to the art scene, there's a hatred for artists who were being scummy with Patreon and business (Kayla-Na and Jasonafex were commonly earning threads daily on /furry/ for this and Blitzdrachin was increasingly mocked before her infamous meltdown about how "I was groomed into drawing furry porn" for doing shit like trying to DRM Patreon images).
     
     Meanwhile mentally ill furry artists want to control everything that is said about them online, take down any image they uploaded and regret later, etc. They absolutely hate the idea of imageboards and art mirroring to the core, and believe that those darn pirates are keeping them working at McDonald's. Yiff.party in particular was attracting the attention of Kotaku journoscum as they malded about piracy.
     
     And of course there's the fact whoever runs it should either have a backbone or as little blackmail as possible (likely by not being in the fandom lol) because furries can and will use knowledge they have on each other to ruin each others lives when crossed.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 04:58:31 JST xianc78

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     • Binkle
     • :meru_B: b e a r d
     • Nekobit :malloc:
     • CrunkLord420

     @PhenomX6 A similar problem can be seen with the /agdg/ community, but on a much smaller scale.

     Of course, /agdg/ users tend to be namefags (some even going as far as revealing their real names), but it is at least somewhat justified because you are just using imageboards to show off your game and you want to be known for your other games as well (assuming you will publish more than one game), otherwise people will simply call you <insert game title here>dev, and being a gamedev automatically makes you an e-celeb anyway. However, this has lead to some Reddit and Discord users shilling their games on /agdg/ threads which annoys some users. Though the opposite effect also happens as many /agdg/ users also feel the need to shill their games on Reddit and Discord, and even create communities for their games on said sites just so they can have a sizable audience, which pisses off many /v/ users because they feel like their fellow gamedevs are betraying them.

     And of course, you have a lot of "normie" gamedevs hating imageboard users for political reasons because they have been indoctrinated by GDC, Extra Credits, their useless "game designer's" course in college, and the like. Luckily, I've never heard of a single /agdg/ dev being cancelled, but it wouldn't surprise me, especially given how pozzed itch.io is. The only thing preventing them from being cancelled is that their games are relatively obscure and most people, except for hardcore SJWs, don't bother searching their internet history.

     Seriously, go find a non-imageboard gamedev community that isn't pozzed. I honestly wish there were more gamedevs on this side of fedi, but the only ones I know of besides myself are @beardalaxy, @Binkle, @nekofag, and @crunklord420.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 04:59:00 JST xianc78

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     • ☻

     @mrsaturday @PhenomX6 I never payed attention to that board.

   • ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 04:59:01 JST ☻

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 @PhenomX6 Not having to deal with /intl/ drama is a massive breath of fresh air
   • Binkle (binkle@sleepy.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:20:01 JST Binkle

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     • xianc78
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     • CrunkLord420
     @xianc78 @PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @nekofag @crunklord420 there's a few others around here I think.
     
     If we talked more regularly about our progress and problems, we'd probably have a decent gamedev community even if we all have wildly different focuses
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:26:20 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • xianc78
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     >Honestly, it's easy to see 4chan's decaying hard, too. I think imageboards are on the way out.
     
     4chan is dying for several reasons, the #1 reason being the jannies who never do their job and use it to power trip (and are probably trannies too judging by what finally got /qa/ locked). I've heard a theory that soyjak posting is a response to the janny behavior. The other reasons 4chan is dying of course being that discussion quality has dropped, there's theories that AI and shills and feds flood the site (the latter was confirmed with the infamous 8chan subponea featuring (you) in posts and a TORtanic shill admitted to it as well), and every board is flooded with sliding posts.
     
     To add to that, there's a culture gap. Just like how IRC died off when the boomers died off and the zoomers refused to use it (along with Discord), imageboard culture is seen as oof yikes problematic even if 4chan these days is sterilized as hell (or the person complaining spent $10 to post on a forum). Others see imageboard hosting as inviting CP and spam, having to deal with the FBI, and of course there's the decay of 4chan (while altboards are slow). The younger generation would rather post on sites like TikTok and Reddit.
   • ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:26:21 JST ☻

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     • xianc78
     @PhenomX6 @xianc78 >split over loli posting
     Acid Man allowed /hebe/, the rest of the webring cut them off, and they got booted from 90% of the webring. I know smugloli's problem is a tranny acting as a one-wound APT of sorts, devoting months of time to screwing with an alt site that just hosts anime discussion.
     
     Honestly, it's easy to see 4chan's decaying hard, too. I think imageboards are on the way out.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:47:34 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 @mrsaturday
     >I've heard a theory that soyjak posting is a response to the janny behavior.

     There was some 8chan post screencap (which I don't have) from someone claiming to have created most (if not all) of the wojack variants. Apparently, he was a furry artist and someone with enough money and autism commissioned all those wojak variants.

     >Just like how IRC died off when the boomers died off and the zoomers refused to use it

     IRC was actually making a small comeback back in the early 2010s thanks to the rise of livestreaming (some of their chats were IRC), FOSS becoming somewhat more popular, and web developers realizing that it is easier just to host an IRC channel and embed it with a web client than it is to use some proprietary Flash, Java, or AJAX solution for a webchat/shoutbox. From what I've heard, Discord only got popular because Skype was down for awhile. People suggested Discord as a temporary alternative. It turned out to be better and the rest is history.

     >Others see imageboard hosting as inviting CP and spam, having to deal with the FBI

     Last time, I checked, Epik doesn't allow imageboards anymore because of the multiple shootings linked to 8chan and because someone tried to report one bunker for CP, when in reality it was just loli.

     Not to mention that owners of controversial communities feel the need to use DDoS protection these days and aren't aware that there are local solutions for those, so they end up using Cloudflare or any alternative. If things get any worse, we might see imageboards becoming a thing that you only see on the darkweb.

     I'm actually concerned that something similar could happen to the fedi where a Christchurch situation happens and people become too afraid to host instances anymore while others start becoming more strict on blocking. I have a feeling that they are going to keep pushing these glowie-ops until we are all forced into walled-gardens.

   • Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck: (roxanne_wolf@anthro.cc)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 09:11:23 JST Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck:

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     @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com that's cool and all but my biggest problem rn is I CANT SNEED (and I miss you my friens on Sneedchat) IT'S SO FUCKING OVER

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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 09:11:41 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck:
     @Roxanne_Wolf gotta have bunkers like 8chan did tbh (I hope you did)
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:15:55 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Samhydeigger
     Not this time, and the only "bunker" is a website where users would shit on Josh run by a literal boomer who was orbiting Chris Chan.
     https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Kenneth_Erwin_Engelhardt
   • Samhydeigger (samhydeigger@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:15:56 JST Samhydeigger

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     @PhenomX6 Did KF ever get an alternate site up?
   • salty_apollyon (rlier23@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:22:10 JST salty_apollyon

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     • 》g r e y《:uv:☦️
     @grey @PhenomX6 it's extremely delightful knowing that kiwis are such backstabbing scorpions that everyone is starting to default to closing the their doors to them.
     
     then again they can't really say they were not given a chance before :smug2:
     9629ff4e99ac1bba.jpg
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:22:10 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • salty_apollyon
     • 》g r e y《:uv:☦️
     Their only supporters are what, on nu 4chan? Literally responding to any criticism of Josh with "dilate tranny".
     https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/93276291
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:45:49 JST xianc78

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:

     @MischievousuTomatosu @PhenomX6 Yes. Telegram isn't private at all.

   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 10:45:50 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 @PhenomX6 telegram?
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:12:32 JST xianc78

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     • Johnny Peligro :cirno:

     @MischievousuTomatosu @PhenomX6 Just use a flash drive. If you really need cloud storage look into NextCloud instances.

   • Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:12:33 JST Johnny Peligro :cirno:

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 @PhenomX6 it's good enough for me and i can use it as cloud storage :meowsob:
   • Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck: (roxanne_wolf@anthro.cc)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 11:25:52 JST Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck:

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     @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com for real though KiwiFarms for me is the frens I made along the way ♥ I am thankful for the connections I've made though it.

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   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 18:42:37 JST 

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     • xianc78
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     @xianc78 @PhenomX6 @mrsaturday >chuds STILL propagate theveebunked conspiracy theory
     https://soyjak.wiki/Furry_artist_conspiracy_theory
   • Lina Inver:z:e :mur_close: :nuts: (lina@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 18:50:03 JST Lina Inver:z:e :mur_close: :nuts:

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     • xianc78
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     @mint @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @mrsaturday meds and BBC treatment NOW! no sproke until the chud propagating the falsified origin of 'jaks finishes his theRAPEy
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 01:35:39 JST xianc78

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     @mint @PhenomX6 @mrsaturday I never said it was true.

   • Official Foxdick Farms (officialfoxdickfarms@outpoa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 18:01:04 JST Official Foxdick Farms

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     • Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck:
     We do have bunkers. I made Foxdick Farms and Foxdick Chan because Kiwi Farms is down often, because Josh in incompetent.
     
     Forum: http://b3aelitqz4izuqd7gqhol6s5jdi7bh3vrvws2sifypdgucfzbiizhrad.onion/
     
     Chan: http://rcuhe6pk7mbmsjk7bwyja5etvjhjvzmc724rnf3piamemvawoi44z7qd.onion/
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 18:01:40 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Roxanne Wolf :blobfoxcheck:
     • Official Foxdick Farms
     @officialfoxdickfarms @Roxanne_Wolf also painting a target on his back by trying to be the phone book and too high profile. Boosting your seo for a site people want offline is totally a good idea.