@mrsaturday@noyoushutthefuckupdad is the idea here that they think it's too evil or they just don't want to take the chance anybody will integrate homophobia into the game because there are evil characters. i am trying to understand the rationale.
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@Moon >Yeah Phyrexians may be sadistic world-consumers but even they let two machines with male ports plug into one another. Checkmate, chuddies I regret selling my old cards less and less as time goes on and watching WOTC trash the game in recent years has a lot to do with it
It's the usual progressive stack in action where a subset of people are le heckin' oppressed, especially so in the past, so you can't joke/say anything negative at all and we're going to force it in even if it makes no sense whatsoever for safe brownie points.
Neo-Progressives don't believe actions has consequences and are utterly confused when you point out that this is retarded
@Moon@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad My favorite part of the whole "combat wheelchair" bullshit is they made the wheelchair so powerful that it benefits able-bodied characters to use one
Your party could roll into the dungeon like this and clean house easier than if they walked
@Moon@mrsaturday@coolboymew yes. and, like mrsaturday said, they have all sorts of magic powers and are free for level 1 players. in the name of inclusion. because if my legs don't work IRL, I absolutely want to play a character whose legs also don't work.
@mrsaturday@Moon@noyoushutthefuckupdad I have had suffered by asthma, bad ezcema and other shit all my life and I have never wished to see Goku desperately scratching himself while sucking on an inhaler between bouts of fighting
@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad@Moon >goblin calls you a "typical slutty elf" NO. BAN. this is racism and slut-shaming. I'm so offended, I can't believe you included this in your game. I was once catcalled, you know! >goblin hits you in the head with an axe, cracking your skull. you fall to the ground, spasm uncontrollably while in incredible pain, and eventually die. this is fine :) Nobody I know has ever died or gotten a serious head wound, and if they had, it's probably therapeutic to experience it in a game.
It's just programmed, pattern-based reactions. They have cube-shaped moral outrage and they push it through the little squares that they see open up in reality, with no thinking involved. You can see this most clearly when they misperceive the prompt and get angry over the wrong thing. I once got dogpiled for spoiling a game, not because anyone's experience of the game could have possibly been lessened by what I said, but because I used language that reminded people of famous spoilers (snape kills dumbledore on page 409).
>A passing necromancer traps your soul in your risen corpse and has you guard a sewer for the next 500 years. this is fine :) >A passing necromancer takes you as a zombie slave. Under your master's orders, you guard a sewer for the next 500 years. WTF, SLAVERY!
@coolboymew@apropos@Moon the last time I was in an IRL tabletop game (around 2016), one of the players brought his girlfriend to the table and she was complaining about the other players saying "bitch" and "cunt" (offensive to womyn) and role-playing as clerics (reminds her of IRL religions and is therefore bad).
it took all my willpower to not tell her "God thinks you're a stupid cunt."
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@Moon@coolboymew@mrsaturday A crippled character could work in a sci-fi setting like Battletech via some fictional tech hardware, but it just looks like an out-of-place April Fools joke in a Fantasy/Medieval-like setting. Were there really wheelchairs back in the olden days?
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@coolboymew@Moon@apropos I had to give up playing IRL D&D in 2014 when another Sergeant (black, female) forced her way into our group and then complained constantly about the campaign and player characters. We had to mollify her constantly by explaining that the things our characters said and did were in character and setting and did not represent our personal beliefs or convictions. After two sessions with her in the group I nopped the fuck out and came up with some excuse about having to put more effort into planning my counseling sessions and didn't have the time or energy to devote to a night of gaming. A couple of weeks later we had to have mandatory unit wide SHARP training because she had jumped the chain of command to complain to battaltion about the -isms in a private game she literally forced herself into.
Now I just play AD&D with some kids over IRC. I get to play as my spastic Chaotic-Neutral Halfling Thief with a penchant for throwing pots of oil and torches as a solution to most everything and not have to worry about someone sperging out and trying to destroy my private life over perceived injustices.
@mia@Moon@coolboymew@mrsaturday@noyoushutthefuckupdad That's not a terrible idea. Could load them up with steel plate, as movable cover. Combine a couple wheelie boys with a light machine-gunner each and you can advance pretty decently under fire.
@noyoushutthefuckupdad@CrushBead@Moon@coolboymew I've heard that Rasputin once made a sexual appeal to the wife of the Tsar, right in front of the Tsar, with no more result than that she kind of laughed at him.
How could that happen? Because he was a character, and everyone knew that character. Part of RPG games is sticking to a character so you can get the same kind of dynamic, where crazy interactions can happen and people just say "well yeah, of course he immediately set the prison on fire. That's how he is. If the DM didn't want it to happen he should've made a less flammable prison."
@apropos@Moon@coolboymew@noyoushutthefuckupdad >well yeah, of course he immediately set the prison on fire. That's how he is. If the DM didn't want it to happen he should've made a less flammable prison." Literally happened in a campaign with the DM seething and complaining after the session ended about how we were supposed to have met and freed a prisoner who would have led us to our next campaign objective. Sorry dude, but if our quest had us assassinate someone who was imprisoned to prevent the lord from interrogating them as part of some larger unknown plot point I am going to do what seems best for the party. Killing one person in a heavily fortified prison that will narrow down the culprit to who could have the motivation and who they hired to do it. If you kill everyone in the prison then the lord has far more people to investigate, far more motives, and it would take far longer to investigate. Thus it make it much less likely that the lord could narrow it down to one person with a motivation, then capture and torture them to find out who was responsible. I have a duty to myself and my party to figure out a way to complete objectives that will profit us and lead to the least likely chance of retaliation.
Unironically the DM shouldn't have went to the effort to mention that there was a stock of lamp oil in the prison.
@1iceloops123@Moon@noyoushutthefuckupdad Me too. Stooping to Nintendo levels of evil only works when you have Nintendo amounts of goodwill with the public, and WOTC has been destroying theirs for a few years now.
@coolboymew@apropos@Moon@noyoushutthefuckupdad some white liberal probably made that choice, not even thinking about mixed race people who actually exist and might appreciate representation too.
@olmitch@coolboymew@Moon@noyoushutthefuckupdad more likely that she did think of mixed-race people, but associated all discussion of them with racism. Take Obama: to everyone on the left, he's just black. It's only right-wing people who took note of his white mother. It's only right-wing people who express irritation when the Obamas or Kapernicks or the Malcolm Xes actively despise their white admixture.
Also, although in the old days you could just say that a half-elf has both elf and human ancestry and who cares more about it, progressive D&D has to apply the same "Obama is just a black guy" logic, and it gets tricky: >a half-elf is just a human because elves are white? >a half-orc is just an orc because orcs are black? ... then what are humans? >drow parent and white human parent -> drow? >drow parent and black human parent -> human?
They can't just say "here's my exact parentage. Let's play the game. Maybe you'll notice that I didn't get the elf genes of lewdness, maybe you'll notice that I got an orc gene for aggression. This is all just some fun observations." They have to say "wait wait we need to establish my exact placement on the progressive stack. Who can I cancel and who can cancel me? Also it's racist to take note of my genes in any way." discomfort-not-racism.jpeg