@Tony me on occasion, anything still supported by Microsoft but is not the center of attention is somewhat handleable, it's like tanking through food you don't like
I've got fucking Windows Vista on another old PC and no more support for that. You can find copies of the old files for fixes if you know where to look. There are archives of that available.
@MadrePappagallo@Tony@KingOfWhiteAmerica gnutards are right though a more free environment gives you some more control, fuck in chinux you could erase the kernel and reboot and now you don't have an operating system. I like being able to do that with ease. With windows it would try to stop you.
@Humpleupagus@Tony@nyanide I started on windows 3.1 and had to learn DOS so I could launch games, and have spent over 30 years on it. Linux is great for deploying code to (especially having had to work on Windows Server for clients) - but kinda shit at being used, especially if you are used to Windows.
In fact, despite MS fucking up Windows with every other release, even its bad versions are easier to use than supposedly "easy" linux distros like Ubuntu.
And that is because linux users hate the idea of a user experience and still can't grasp the idea that programs should require compilation to work, or that there shouldn't be dozens of incompatible basic utils for everything. Linux is ruined by communist people who use Vim and release their code under copyleft.
Linux works if you're not trying to substitute windows. Windows is like a Toyota camary. Linux is a pile of parts that can be built into a tank. Stick with a simple windows manager like i3 and learn to use dmenu and pulseaudio, and you'll fine. The further you get into other DEs, the more you're rely on random developers and commits to get things working, and they're not always moving in the same direction. This results in all sorts of fuckery.
Also stick with what's stable, e.g. x11, alsa or pulse, etc. The problem is that a lot of DEs are pushing wayland and pipewire, which aren't mature, and then wondering why people don't want to use Linux.
@kybermace@Humpleupagus@Tony@nyanide I am used to the "a" key typing an "a" - hell, it seems like the key binding were made by the same angband folks who decided drink a potion would be "q" to "quaff"
@brigrammer@Tony@Humpleupagus@kybermace It is the descendant of ed, a modal editor. VI is naturally a modal editor. I do not understand where you are coming from here.
@nyanide@Tony@Humpleupagus@kybermace when I type this comment, the letters go into the comment. to move I use arrows, to do other things I press control or shift. this is how every text entry, including DOS, I ever used works
but VI is somehow better because it was invented for use on punch cards and vacuum tubes - I just don't see the appeal of not just typing and using the abundant modifier keys and arrows to move about (and occasionally even the mouse)
@brigrammer@Tony@Humpleupagus@kybermace Vi just happens to have keybinds and older concepts that some people like for whatever reason. Plan 9 tried to move away from all of that but obviously I'm not running Plan 9 Fifty fourth edition.
Am I speaking to Xah Lee? This is stuff that only he's ever argued.
The one cool feature that acme has is being able to type and then click on commands. That's superior to having to locate a command in 8 different menus, each with a litany of options and subcommands.
@Humpleupagus@Tony@brigrammer@kybermace Isn't Brigrammer arguing against the modal model with a bunch of keybinds? Acme and sam obviously don't have that it just lets you manipulate text buffers at ease. Being able to use standard shell commands inside acme to manipulate the text buffer you want is quite nice.