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1. Jerome (j@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 01:18:19 JST Jerome
   Meta defends using pirated material, claims it's legal if you don't seed content | Tom's Hardware
   
   Configuration settings were modified "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur".
   
   https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/meta-defends-using-pirated-material-claims-its-legal-if-you-dont-seed-content
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   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 01:37:24 JST Angry Sun

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     @j what a nonsense argument lol, you're copyright infringing if you re-share or reuse the data. seeding is de-facto copyright infringement. but if you turn around and use the data you downloaded in a product, you're back to infringing again, just in a different way
     
     for the record I don't give a shit about copyright but their argument is silly
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:42:59 JST LS

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     @sun @vokainen099 @j it’s not obvious in a legal sense, the output of a training session isn’t copyrightable (because it’s the output of an algorithm) so using copyrighted material as input might not be a copyright violation in itself. (This is the angels on a pin stuff that IP law leads to)
   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:43:00 JST Angry Sun

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     @vokainen099 @j yeah I am saying, seeding is what got you caught. Meta is saying they didn't seed (or not much). but they are releasing a model based on that data so obviously they are still infringing even if they didn't seed
   • Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:43:01 JST Vokainen

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     @sun @j I'm pretty sure there were boatloads of people in 2008-2010 being sued for copyright infringement because they were caught seeding.
     
     Oh yeah, I forgot they probably couldn't have as many lawyers as meta though :aaaaaa:
   • Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:44:41 JST Vokainen

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     • Angry Sun
     @lain @j @sun This can only be settled in a court
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:44:41 JST LS

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     @vokainen099 @j @sun where else
   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:44:52 JST Angry Sun

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     @lain @vokainen099 @j that's fair, that is downstream of the terrible seeding argument though. They're lawyers though, obv they are going to try any argument they can
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   • Vokainen (vokainen099@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:47:14 JST Vokainen

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     @lain @j @sun Theoretically a copyright law reform could do or undo the same
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Feb-2025 02:47:14 JST LS

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     @vokainen099 @j @sun I’m against any kind of IP but I’m not hopeful