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1. Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 05:16:48 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

   • pistolero
   @p It's the same issue with a lot of the 1990s adventure games: insane troll logic with regards to inventory items you've picked up along the way. No rhyme or reason to it, forcing you to just savescum and brute force
   
   One of the 'Gabriel Knight' games had a part where you had to make a fake mustache out of . . . cat hair and Scotch tape
   
   Sierra On-Line was notorious for this in their later years. King's Quest V locked you out of completing the game if you hadn't picked up a fishhook earlier on in the game, used said hook to get a piece of moldy cheese out of a location you are only temporarily thrown into, and then you have to somehow figure out that you need to use that cheese to power up a magic wand
   
   (Don't ask questions)
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:46:51 JST pistolero

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     • Latigo Morgan
     • w0rm
     @dsm @LatigoMorgan @TrevorGoodchild The Random Number God punishes the nonbelievers.
     ponder-your-area.jpeg
   • w0rm (dsm@clew.lol)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:46:52 JST w0rm

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     • Latigo Morgan
     • pistolero
     @p
     @LatigoMorgan @TrevorGoodchild
     
     > What if you RNG'd the loot table?
     
     I'm a god damn wizard.
   • Latigo Morgan (latigomorgan@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:46:53 JST Latigo Morgan

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     • pistolero
     @TrevorGoodchild @p There were some really good MUDs back then that got lost to time. Too bad some of them didn't make it into the graphics world of gaming.
     
     I wonder what an AI could do with with some of those old MUDs?
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 10:46:53 JST pistolero

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     • Latigo Morgan
     @LatigoMorgan @TrevorGoodchild
     
     > There were some really good MUDs back then that got lost to time.
     
     I wonder if there's any sort of preservation effort or if any of the people running the old MUDs kept the code around or published it. The Internet Archive guys have been dragging out these old Apple II games but that's a little more "archive" and basically zero "internet". Old MUDs ran over the internet, though.
     
     > I wonder what an AI could do with with some of those old MUDs?
     
     An AI-powered interaction engine actually might be interesting, or more interesting than "Nothing interesting happens". (Someone already did something where they had the AI draw pictures of what was happening, it was about how you expect.)
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 13:02:33 JST pistolero

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     @TrevorGoodchild
     
     > It's the same issue with a lot of the 1990s adventure games: insane troll logic with regards to inventory items you've picked up along the way. No rhyme or reason to it, forcing you to just savescum and brute force
     
     :alexjonesdemons: GODDAMMIT
     
     'Nam flashbacks.
     
     No, I know exactly what you mean and old-ass text-based adventure games did that shit. Those games, though, were played at a time when you were in the machine room with the other college students or you could just call up the author because the phone number was on the floppy, but it survived way past that point. It was probably already ingrained deeply enough in Sierra's culture that it never occurred to their game designers to do anything else way past its relevance.
     
     > One of the 'Gabriel Knight' games had a part where you had to make a fake mustache out of . . . cat hair and Scotch tape
     
     Sid Meier said that a game is a series of interesting decisions. I think that's as good a definition as any, but it excludes most of the point-and-click adventure games.
     
     > King's Quest V locked you out of completing the game if you hadn't picked up a fishhook earlier on in the game, used said hook to get a piece of moldy cheese out of a location you are only temporarily thrown into, and then you have to somehow figure out that you need to use that cheese to power up a magic wand
     
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   • ins0mniak (ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:16 JST ins0mniak

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     • pistolero
     • Protoss
     @Cyrillic @p Yeah I would do the exact same thing.
     
     My school had this dumb thing I figured out where if you just turned the assignment in everytime you couldn't fail the class. Just a numbers point system. So I would just super half ass it and then go do whatever it was that I wanted.
   • Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:17 JST Protoss

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     • ins0mniak
     • pistolero
     @ins0mniak @p that was a funny one to me, because the result of that was that I'd say I had no homework, and because I then couldn't be seen doing my homework afterward, I wouldn't do my homework except by cramming it into the morning.
   • ins0mniak (ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:18 JST ins0mniak

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     • pistolero
     @p I always got pissed when they'd be like "if you do x then you can play on the computer"
     
     yeah fuck you too
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:19 JST pistolero

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     • BarelyEagle
     @BarelyEagle @TrevorGoodchild No, they lived it: the boomers constructed their world on the same logic. If you want to get anywhere, you had to have some thing that they kept telling you would never be important and combine it with some other thing that they kept telling you meant nothing, otherwise you get stuck or die.
     
     You know how many boomers were involved in the "Health" textbooks that said to only eat bread and not meat and that the most important thing ever was self-esteem? And then it turns out that school didn't mean a damn thing and that a supposedly unhealthy obsession with computers turned into the only thing I do that is worth any money?
   • BarelyEagle (barelyeagle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:20 JST BarelyEagle

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     • pistolero
     @TrevorGoodchild @p >locked you out of completing the game if you hadn't picked up a fishhook earlier on in the game
     
     People who have only played modern games do not understand why I am the way I am.
   • tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:31:50 JST tsoifan1997

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     • ins0mniak
     • pistolero
     • Protoss
     @ins0mniak @p @Cyrillic
     Ahhh I did that, I'd hand in my "unfinished drafts" and still somehow get a passing grade.
   • ins0mniak (ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:35:59 JST ins0mniak

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     • pistolero
     • Protoss
     @p @Cyrillic I believe it.
     
     metal def helps.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:36:00 JST pistolero

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     • ins0mniak
     • Protoss
     @ins0mniak @Cyrillic Rhythmic basslines improve cognitive function, that's real.
   • ins0mniak (ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:36:01 JST ins0mniak

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     • pistolero
     • Protoss
     @Cyrillic @p Never do school work without wearing headphones.
     
     I seriously have issues concentrating if I don't .
   • Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:36:02 JST Protoss

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     • ins0mniak
     • pistolero
     @p @ins0mniak that's smart, see I was doing less useful things like concealing earphones under my long hair and listening to music
     one time I even kept them on into an exam, for the hell of it
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 14:36:03 JST pistolero

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     • ins0mniak
     • Protoss
     @Cyrillic @ins0mniak I'd do as much of it as I could during the class after the one where it was assigned sometimes.