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1. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   Grub on my laptop just went like: No I don't know what ZFS is anymore…
   
   *flashes alpine-extended on a usb stick*
   • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:08 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @lanodan no laptop boots off microsds
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:10 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     Of course it doesn't boot over microSDs, fucking lenovo.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     … pretty sure I broke it with a zpool upgrade earlier this month
     
     *creates a /boot on a random microSD*
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:12 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     And you might be like: But why ed?
     
     Busybox vi really sucks.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:32:13 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     sh: ed: not found

     Oh come on alpine, seriously?

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:33:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
     @nyanide pretty sure I had one who could, and an x86_64 one, not arm because I never had that.
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   • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:34:47 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @lanodan extremely large raspberry pi
   • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:35:11 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
     @lanodan but really those things have to be like a dime a dozen, i have never seen a laptop that could boot off of any type of sd card
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 14:36:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
     @nyanide well my laptop has an AMD cpu so technically there's an armv7l in there due to the AMD PSP :D
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:43:33 JST 翠星石

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     • pistolero
     • 翠星石
     @p *was released under the GPLv2-ambigious in 1992.
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:43:34 JST 翠星石

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     • pistolero
     @p >Sure seems to support the standard Unix kernel interfaces and run Unix software.
     >Look at the photo.
     >It is GNU bash running GNU Compiler Collection to compile and link the software against glibc.
     Facepalm into the nether realm.
     
     >cal instead of gcal
     Sad!
     
     >uname
     name --help;
     Usage: uname [OPTION]...
     Print certain system information. ***With no OPTION, same as -s****.
     -s, --kernel-name print the kernel name
     ...
     -o, --operating-system print the operating system
     --help display this help and exit
     --version output version information and exit
     
     uname -o;
     GNU/Linux
     
     uname --version
     uname (GNU coreutils) 9.5
     Packaged by Gentoo (9.5 (p0))
     Copyright (C) 2024 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
     License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <https://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>.
     This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
     There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
     
     Written by David MacKenzie.
     
     >When did GPLv2 turn "proprietary"?
     Linux was proprietary software in 1991, but was released under the GPLv2-ambigious in 1996.
     
     It only took until 1996 before the first proprietary program was added to Linux and Linux became proprietary software again.
     
     One of many examples of proprietary software added to Linux is this; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/powerpc/platforms/8xx/micropatch.c (the binary form is array encoded and there is no source code).
     
     When it comes to the license of Linux, generally it is only enforced *against* freedom, rather than in support of it.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:43:35 JST pistolero

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki
     
     > The kernel, Linux was never anything like a Unix
     
     Sure seems to support the standard Unix kernel interfaces and run Unix software. If you ignore the compiler warnings, it even runs a lot of the Unix v7 code.
     
     > is proprietary software.
     
     When did GPLv2 turn "proprietary"?
     oldcal.png
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:43:36 JST 翠星石

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     • pistolero
     @p The kernel, Linux was never anything like a Unix and never tried pretending to be one either.
     
     The only similarities Linux has to Unix kernels is that it is monolithic and is proprietary software.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:43:37 JST pistolero

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     @lanodan Debian started that and that was the end of Linux pretending to be Unix.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:44:01 JST pistolero

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki
     
     > Linux does barely anything really
     
     If the kernel doesn't respond to syscalls, nothing happens.
     
     > Although efficient scheduling and SYSCALLs and drivers are exiting as they are complicated, they are a far cry short from what you need to get an operating system.
     
     I said Linux was pretending to be Unix and it is: it emulates the interfaces well enough that it runs Unix software from the 1970s. Are you trying to convince me that it does not present a Unix interface to the software it runs? Because it seems that you are trying to make the case that it is not a complete operating system, and that would be unrelated to what I said.
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:44:02 JST 翠星石

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     • pistolero
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     @p I'd like to point out that, GNU had in the past put a lot of work into ensuring that existing free software on Unix could be compiled on GNU without having to be re-written and of course such compatibility remains.
     
     Such compatibility was implemented long before Linux was even a thing.
     
     Linux does barely anything really - GNU bash passes the elf to glibc's ld-linux-x86-64.so (or ld-hurdxxx.so), which loads the program for execution and all Linux really does is schedule the machines resources (the program is allowed unfettered access to CPU cycles until its scheduled time is over and then Linux goes and halts execution and dumps the current execution state to a stack and runs the scheduled program) and implement SYSCALLs (via glibc, which does a lot of things internally, but does need to call SYSCALLs for things like a read or a write to a file).
     
     Although efficient scheduling and SYSCALLs and drivers are exiting as they are complicated, they are a far cry short from what you need to get an operating system.
   • ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 12:33:22 JST ロミンちゃん

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     • nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
     @nyanide @lanodan my laptop does so every day
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