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1. d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 12:26:52 JST d
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   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 12:26:51 JST Angry Sun

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     @deprecated_ii It's a combination. I have been in a place where we absolutely needed a specific person and had to jump through ridiculous hoops to prove that we couldn't hire some random American. And I have worked at a place where they were using H1B to hire Chinese to do Apache Struts, which even the least-educated Indian body shop can do in their sleep.
     
     It's also absolutely true that American universities churn out tons of students that can't do anything and probably can't learn. And that in many other places, people actually care about making their kids competitive, unlike the USA.
   • nugger (nugger@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 12:26:51 JST nugger

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     @sun @deprecated_ii TRUE THAT MAY BE BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE WHOLE QUESTION IS SET UP WRONG
     
     THE ENTIRE PROPOSITION IS
     
     "AMERICANS AREN'T DOING X THEREFORE WE NEED TO REPLACE AMERICANS WITH NON-AMERICANS IN ORDER TO HAVE X"
     
     
     >"WE ARE THE AMERICANS. WHO'S THE 'WE' FOR YOU IF NOT AMERICANS? YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE X IF HAVING X MEANS REPLACING US. AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE POWER OVER US IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US "
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   • Berlusconi Anime Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:37:19 JST Berlusconi Anime Fever :sonnenrad:

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     @deprecated_ii @sun The Space Program and the computer revolution were made by using the kids of MidWest farmers. Raw material is there, you only need to line up the incentives.
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:37:20 JST d

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     @sun Policy cannot be based on outliers. Just because there's 1 woman in 10000 that can hang in an infantry unit, it doesn't mean we should let women into infantry units. It's much better to simply accept losing that one unicorn to have a simpler, clearer policy overall. It's not fair? Life's not fair.
     
     I don't believe there's a problem with talent in america as a result of "glorifying stupidity". We produce plenty of kids who do great in math and science, who then go on to get relevant STEM degrees. And then most of them are never able to find work in their field. The excuse then becomes oh well gee I guess they just suck, except I don't see that there's any relationship between ability in the field and ability to find *work* in that field. The C student has the right connections and cruises into a cushy engineering job, while the A student ends up working some shitty office job that could be done by anyone with an 8th grade education. Graduation year is 10x more influential on your success than how hard you work in school or what major you choose.
     
     America is not utilizing the resources it has. It prefers to pretend those resources don't exist, while preying on the young people who do want to work hard by encouraging them to take on huge amounts of debt, lying to them from birth about opportunities that do not actually exist for them. This cannot continue.
   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:37:21 JST Angry Sun

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     @deprecated_ii this sounds great but Sometimes you know a guy and you want to hire that guy because you know he can do it and you don’t want to do a nationwide manhunt just to hire somebody that you don’t actually know anything about.
     
     The original reason I posted what I posted though is simply that a ton of people on here just think Indians are all dumb. It’s a loser position. Vivek Salamiswami may have been speaking out of ethnic chauvinism but there’s a grain of truth in what he’s saying and america needs to stop glorifying stupidity, fast.
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 21:37:22 JST d

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     @sun if a company wants to benefit from being built on american soil, getting american protections, using american infrastructure and having easy access to the american economy, it can hire americans first *and only*. the *real* need for the one guy on the planet who can do [thing] can be handled as the exceptionally rare case that it is
     
     if a company wants the "competitive kids" from other countries, they can damn well pull up stakes and move to those countries instead
     
     if companies do not find degrees sufficient proof of ability, they can put in the effort to figure out who does have ability. I have absolutely zero sympathy for organizations who brag about spending 7-10 seconds looking at each candidate's resume only to turn around and bitch about how bad the workforce is. they have no idea what the workforce has to offer because they treat it like a college girl flipping through tinder
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 12:25:54 JST d

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun No, it can't. We're reaching the end of the grift. America is not a magical treasure box that can be plundered forever. Younger people are increasingly dropping out, correctly seeing that they have no prospects. The military can't get enough recruits. College enrollment among men is in steep decline. Infrastructure that was pushed decades beyond its design life is failing and the foreign replacements can't fix it. Increasingly, America is a country where nothing gets done.
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   • kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Dec-2024 12:25:55 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @deprecated_ii@poa.st @sun@shitposter.world
     
     well, it actually can continue...