Yea, but are managers and directors going to get a pay cut? of course not. They might lay some of them off, but more likely, they'll just raise all the costs and drop the co-pay.
Violence works immediately sometimes. Earth Liberation Front did shut down some operations. But they started back up again a few months or a year later. Meanwhile, America got sick of their violence and destruction. Their message was lost.
I worked in health insurance. It is 100% scum. On the other side is Canada, where government death panels push doctors to push MAID/suicide. Also 100% scum.
I don't know who this CEO was. Maybe he was a bastard shithead who beat his kids. Maybe he was a nice person who donated to every charity he could and tried to teach his kids right. But he had kids and now they don't have a father.
I don't like living in a world where people think that's okay.
@djsumdog >he had kids and now they don't have a father
Hot same for literally hundreds of thousands of children who lost parents to, strictly for a single example of one failure mode for one type of disease, cancer that could have been treated or prevented entirely had his company either not denied or not dragged their heels on approving preventative medicine and/or diagnostic tests for.
That's, again, hundreds of thousands of children who got Netflix'd on just one class of malicious fuckup for one class of disease.
I just got done making recusrvie goal-setting AI with access to cURL, Arxiv, PubMed and zsh. We can do the numbers for the other diseases if you'd like.
Oh, and very very few of those children had their parents leave them as rich as this guy did. And this man's kids won't have the months or years of suffering, dread, knowing that their parents are on borrowed time, being strung along with false hope that gets shattered with a letter or a phone call, every time.
Fuck this man's corpse and fuck his kids. Cut his dick off his corpse and fuck his kids with it imo. @cjd
It's amazing how many people come to the defense of one of the most evil men in the country. This guy was at the top of a cartel that bribed the Obama administration into forcing everyone to buy their products at gunpoint, creating a monopoly that they used to drive medical costs into the stratosphere. Guys like him are why millions of Americans are now lifelong debt slaves because they got sick and had to stay in a crummy hospital for a week or two.
@gentoobro dj is an intelligent individual and I respect his position that wrong is wrong. I can appreciate applying a global standard and not a double standard.
But there's a New Radicals song about the narrow possibilities of what this man could have received. @djsumdog@cjd
It only makes sense to hop the border to leech welfare or harvest crops. Anything else is worse than getting even a shitty job here in Mexico. I suspect that a lot of Central and South American peasant migrants don't know this.
Minimum wage in Mexico is around $15/day (depending on exchange rate), and only boring retail jobs sitting on a stool waiting for customers make that. You can dig ditches for $25/day, which is enough to raise a family on if you're frugal. The guys who welded the roof on this house were making about $30/hr under the table.
@djsumdog@djsumdog.com I worked at a BlueCross BlueShield for 2+ years. We had two bomb threats when I was there. Now if one of those bombs was real; say it took out eBusiness and me and all my co-workers were dead. Did we deserve it? Because we supported an evil company?Yes
How many evil companies do you support every fucking day. The t-shit you own is made in Mexico by someone who gets paid $5 a day. The CPU in your laptop is put together by someone in Indonesia that makes $20 a week. The food you eat is produced by farmers and ranchers who see their margins cut ever fucking season, whose neighbors are selling out to factory farm companies and Bill Gates back firmed because it's not worth it.
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FUCK YOU! You want me to die? For working a fucking job you stupid fucking ideological cunt?! I try to be nice to you with your horrific bad takes, but Jesus Fucking Christ. You don't fucking know me. You don't know all the things I've done and see and all the ways I try to just be a decent human being.
You want me to die? What the actual fuck is wrong with you? How are you such a god damn shitty person you want some random person on the Internet who worked two years as a fucking software grunt at an insurance company to fucking die?
Do you want all McDonalds employees to die? They work for a horrible company. Do you want all Samsung employees to die? Their company controls a fucking nation.
Yea see ... I don't know what that has to do with fucking anything. Why should that relate to the murder at all?
I worked at a BlueCross BlueShield for 2+ years. We had two bomb threats when I was there. Now if one of those bombs was real; say it took out eBusiness and me and all my co-workers were dead. Did we deserve it? Because we supported an evil company?
Oh but this guy was a big director level position and raked in millions in personal income. Okay, what if it was a manager who made $250k? Yep he should die, totally guilty, But what if it was a lowly software dev that made $65k? oh that's tragic. He's just a grunt in the machine. But what if it was a high end senior dev that made $165k. Well he should have known better and used his skills to get a better job. Okay, what if it was $165k .. in New York City. That's like $100k anywhere outside the cities adjusted for cost of living..
Where is the line? How much do you have to make or what level do you have to be at where vigilante justice and murder is justified.
You know who celebrates the death of made up enemies they don't even fucking know? Deranged Lefties:
@djsumdog@cjd >I don't know who this CEO was. Maybe he was a bastard shithead who beat his kids. Maybe he was a nice person who donated to every charity he could and tried to teach his kids right. But he had kids and now they don't have a father. Now do the kids whose father comes down with a tragic illness and insurance drops their coverage
@asa@djsumdog@cjd "Many kids wish their parents were assassinated, many kids wish they could do it themselves." This is the core of leftoid philosophy. I don't even like the guy, but kids growing up fatherless is generally a bad thing, and a handful of severely abusive exceptions do not change that. Just because you're a faggot with daddy issues does not mean that killing your father is a wonderful thing.
@djsumdog@cjd if anything the kids might have a better life and maybe become good human beings without the bad influence of the father and with the lesson that evil people get assassinated.
Many kids wish their parents were assassinated, many kids wish they could do it themselves
@teratology@djsumdog@anemone >I do think that STEMlords and tech workers need to seriously grapple with the ethics of their personal choices.
It's tough to do so (especially with the current CS job market), but I generally agree. I like to think John Carmack left Oculus because he was disillusioned with the direction Meta was going with VR with the whole Metaverse thing. Though, I don't know if his current AI startup will be any better.
@djsumdog@anemone okay obviously there are people who work for corpos and extensions of those companies + poor people working under them and suffer the most. Mc Dees and other fast food companies profit from child migrant labor in the worst conditions, etc. You get it, esp with tech. But the people responsible are higher up. I hate Musk Husk and everything he stands for but I am friends with people who work at spaceX and work under awful conditions.
I do think that STEMlords and tech workers need to seriously grapple with the ethics of their personal choices. I'm moreso talking about defense contracting but you get the idea.
@anemone@djsumdog@teratology For-profit health insurance is a symptom, not a problem. You used to be able to voluntarily form clubs and groups in which everyone pitched in and the money would be used to cover the cost if a member was hospitalized. This is no longer legal outside of religious groups.
So health insurance companies will continue to exist for as long as the clubs that I've mentioned are outlawed.