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@TrevorGoodchild @sickburnbro @KarlDahl This fits, particularly if we combine it with the "America is not Rome, but Carthage" line.
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@sickburnbro @KarlDahl needs to see this
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@InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl >Thalassocracy
>Dependent on proxies and mercenaries for military power
>Child sacrifice as a religious sacrament
Yes. Carthage. Checks out.
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@plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Hannibal Barca was such a master at warfare that the Romans were forced to resort to Fabius' "nothing ever happens" strategy to beat him on their own land. It worked.
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@TrevorGoodchild @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Carthage did have some really good soldiers but most if not all of those were under Hannibal AFAIK, and those were because they had a shit ton of experience fighting Romans in Italy
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@TrevorGoodchild @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Supposedly the reason Carthage lost the Second Punic War is because the Carthaginian government denied Hannibal reinforcements in Italy. The reasons being they cared more about Spain (where the ruling class controlled lucrative silver mines) and because having Hannibal win the war would basically propel the populist Barca family into the drivers seat of national politics, and they couldn’t have that.
Considering how the Punic Wars ended, maybe the biggest own goal in history.
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@DW2 @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Entrenched and imbecilic "elite" governmental ruling class making short-sighted decisions for personal political and financial gain? That will eventually result in the total destruction of their civilization?
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@DW2 @TrevorGoodchild @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Carthage walked a MASSIVE army into Italy from Spain to reinforce their position, led by Hasdrubal the best general they had available.
The Romans had active fighting legions all over the Mediterranean at this point, and would have suffered and plausibly lost the war if Hasdrubal's army was able to merge or coordinate with Hannibal's. Their manpower was at its limits.
Hasdrubal crossed the Alps and was marching in from the North. He was met by two consular armies, led by Livius and Licinius. The opposing forces encamped.
In the South, following the Fabian Strategy, Nero led another consular army and was keeping Hannibal tied up. He, alone, realized that if he could surprise Hasdrubal with his own army, reinforcing the Roman position, he could enact a decisive victory and likely save Rome.
So he snuck his army out in the middle of the night. The whole lot. All of them quietly walking away, leaving only a token in their camp to maintain the appearance that they were still there. It worked. Hannibal had no idea that they were gone.
They marched the entire length of the Italian Peninsula in a matter of days, night and day, entered the Roman camps at night and shared tents to hide their numbers. Along the way, they brought nothing but their weapons. The People met them on the road and gave them everything they needed.
They immediately attacked. Hasdrubal was confident of his victory over two consular armies, and was surprised by the third. His entire army was destroyed and he himself killed. Nero immediately left and marched the length of the Italian Peninsula a second time. Hannibal had still not discovered that he had gone, when he returned.
The Second Punic War, for Carthage, was over at that point. Rome, with one maneuver led by one madlad, had changed things from probably-losing to likely-winning. Hannibal could not reinforce or supply his army by sea, and the reinforcing land-force was gone.
Scipio deserves full credit for beating Hannibal face-to-face, but Nero changed the course of the war.
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@NoDoxGregBrady @TrevorGoodchild @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Poast: Come for the anime booba, stay for the detailed and insightful lessons on the Second Punic War
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@NoDoxGregBrady @DW2 @TrevorGoodchild @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl Nero had Hasdrubal's head thrown into Hannibal's camp when he got back.
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@Innsmouth_Mayor @DW2 @TrevorGoodchild @plotinus_enjoyer @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro @KarlDahl "WHO'S WINNING NOW, BITCH"
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This site needs a news feed so I know wtf is going on with "pager explosions". I'm signed up to some bots, but it needs a legit news feed.
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Long story short: israel rigged a bunch of pagers to overheat and explode when receiving a certain signal. Hezbollah unwittingly bought a bunch of these. Injuries ensue and israel laughs at the chaos.
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