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@LouisConde Interesting seeing that a lot of guys talk about collapse the same way others talk about "when we win."
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@nierenstein @LouisConde A collapse is the only chance we have to win, that's why, OFC it will be a hard fought struggle.
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@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @LouisConde @nierenstein
Collapse can mean a lot of different things. Pretty much all outcomes where we either partially or totally win do result in the system as we know it being destroyed and significant hardships.
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@ArdainianRight @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein It often seems to be used as the rw millennial's version of the boomers apocalypse retardation. The way people keep talking about makes it seem that they think that just suddenly the lights just go off all at once and all hell breaks loose.
This doesn't seem to reflect reality. This hasn't happened in Ukraine, which has had many of its power generating facilities destroyed in the war and has managed to work around that keep the lights on to a large extent.
You absolutely can have individual areas loose access to infrastructure for even long periods of time, but to assume it will happen everywhere at once, outside of something like a nuclear war, when there are scores of men who have the ability and desire to maintain these systems for their own well-being seems unrealistic.
The Soviet union collapsed and more than a bit of trouble was had by people in out of the way places to get food and clean water in the aftermath. But to think that all of it just stops working when even in South Africa that isn't the case, without large scale acts against the infrastructure and those who maintain it, seems irrational. Not saying it's totally impossible, but you need make a good case as to how that can happen.
There are many powerful and connected people who will see to it that they don't suffer "total collapse" and many normal people will benefit from it. The whole country can't be cut off from assistance like some mountain town in Bosnia or something.
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@wgiwf @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein
I do think the Musk/Thiel techbro axis explicitly aligning with Trump, and Musk using Twitter as an online propaganda outlet, combined with the existing DC establishment being so rabidly opposed to Trump as to attempt an assassination, means that the pieces are in place for a meaningful separatist movement. We have angry guys with guns, all that's really needed is an Elon-backed bloc of GOP governors willing to defy federal authority and coordinate with each other outside of them. It won't just be rugged survivalists on their own, there needs to be an actual movement with the backing of power brokers.
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@ArdainianRight @wgiwf @LouisConde @nierenstein Issue is the only men I'm loyal too are naught but ghosts, If there was a great Team A Team B scuffle I don't like either of them lol.
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@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @LouisConde @nierenstein @wgiwf
A reasonable opinion. But remember that where something starts isn't always where it ends. Team B might be the only ones with the organization and resources to facilitate a breakup, but they don't have that much loyalty among young men with guns, they're just less despised. Once the first break-up happens, that opens up a lot of floodgates for far-right militias and racial/ethnic conflicts to break out. If the power of the feds and glowies is broken, and moreover the fear of infiltration is broken, it becomes a lot easier to organize radicalized men with guns, and from there seizing rural areas with aging populations wouldn't appear to be too hard.
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@ArdainianRight @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein More than GOP lackeys, you have linemen, police and the owners of actual means of production (ranchers, mining companies, etc.) who have vested interest in their self preservation, the building blocks of a civilization. In a chaotic political sphere were the system of typical governance breaks down the real power brokers will be those with real power and the means to utilize it, not middlemen.
In a situation where a serious succession movement is a reality, the ability to preserve day to day life is the real power. GOP governors supporting such a movement may be useful to support for that purpose (hypothetically) but I don't see them as a longterm factor when you have what is essentially the unraveling of the American Empire and partisan politics eventually die in the necessity of self preservation. A state being red or blue will matter much less than the localities desire to maintain stability and a steady food supply.
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@ArdainianRight @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein I don't think urban areas should be overlooked as points of interest and power. The populations of some areas, even if they vote dem, are not necessarily on board with the plan, so to speak, and would willing support the hypothetical "when we win" state. Fishtown in Philadelphia is one of the few places that put up collective to the Floyd riots, being an Italian neighborhood.
Then you have an entire rural state like Vermont that is even more cucked than the average Californian while still being 90+% White.
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@wgiwf @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein
Red urban/suburban areas may well wind up being power bases for the Elon bloc of magnates looking to profit off the chaos, as it'll be easy to buy off the established governments, even if they don't really hold power in more rural areas. There'll be a lot of sorting, and a lot of normie right-wingers who are scared of more radical factions and just want security will prefer a DeSantis Florida to who-knows-what out in the middle of nowhere.
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@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @LouisConde @nierenstein @wgiwf
Trump and his backers are centrists. I would not be surprised to see some legit far-right militias pop up the instant there's a power vacuum because of how many disaffected young white men there are who don't have any particular loyalty towards Boomercons, Trump, Elon, etc.
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@wgiwf @ArdainianRight @LouisConde @nierenstein Honestly in issues like this I'll start to sound like Strasser, as most of those are our enemies, ZOGbots would turn their guns on us if ZOG said, Look at the Negroid riots for proof of that, Corpos are our enemies as they both pozz up our nation and want illegals and other swarth as their cheaper then Whites. Some Ranchers and linemen would take our side but we've got plenty of enemies, and we should consider them as such.
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@ArdainianRight @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @LouisConde @nierenstein @wgiwf State department and DOJ are aware of and trying to get ahead of these types of rebellions. They don't have the resources to deal with just how many Millennial and Zoomer 'extremists' there are though and they've become so hopelessly incompetent (diverse) that their attempts to stop or reverse the rise of these ideas has only caused it to accelerate.
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@Eiswald @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein @wgiwf
Those types are barely hanging on. Even if the far right themselves aren't the initial catalyst, anything which causes a deterioration of centralized power could cause the dam to break.
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@ArdainianRight @wgiwf @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein I don't think DeSantis can pull off anything, at this point. Nobody outside of his clique of gay intellectuals and D.C. nevertrumpers actually likes him, and the Dems see him as weak. He stayed in the 2024 primary long enough to lose all credibility, and withdrew with a snarky, backbiting statement that guarantees that the Trump lads (which is every Republican under the age of forty) won't ever show up for him. He has no potential base of power, and while he'll probably attempt a 2028 run (unless something extreme happens), nobody's excited to turn out for him. His handlers could've pulled something off if they were smarter, but they couldn't resist having him openly endorse and give appointments to all of the most hated anti-Trump figures, most of whom have failed catastrophically and crippled his reputation for competence in the process.
The "moderate, principled" GOP establishment isn't going to be a meaningful force in the future. All we've really seen from them is some rearguard sabotage of the increasingly fully-Trump-captured Republican party, and the talking heads all jumping ship to the Dems to grift off of resistards. The Democrats are already accustomed to making sure certain golden gooses don't get slaughtered while they loot the country, so I'd expect that Newsom Dems would be a better fit for running a regime-friendly safe haven for the upper-middle class. I don't see civil collapse involving explicit demarcation of borders, of course - something like the Irish Troubles, with the state, state-backed irregulars, and state-opposed irregulars all going around trying to clean up the areas where their respective fighting populations are densest, with GOP governors maintaining a more intense version of their current role as officials that are subservient to the regime but must occasionally give way to their constituents to prevent (exclusively political now, but mixed in this hypothetical) reprisals. "Militias" wouldn't be a bunch of guys with an explicit flag and battle line being led around by glowies, they'd be unnamed associations of close friends and relatives with no online presence that got their start disposing of home invaders' bodies when it became clear that self-defense was de-facto illegal, and gradually extended their scope to eliminating hard-to-replace sources of regime intelligence and influence within driving distance of their homes.
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@AmericanChampion @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein @wgiwf
DeSantis himself isn't really important, so much as being a functionary of the Elon/Thiel nexus as a state governor.
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@Neutron_tsar @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein @wgiwf
I don't trust those guys either, but separatism is good, because being a normal white American makes you an enemy of GAE by default, and it creates more room to carve out something for yourself.
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@ArdainianRight @wgiwf @LouisConde @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @nierenstein Techbros are not to be trusted, they have a vested interest in deradicalizing the right as well. Trump is presenting himself as a centrist unifying figure, that's one of the reasons why he didn't exploit the assassination attempt to fully go after the Democrats. The ultimate goal of the techbro centrist axis is technological enslavement.
Separatism only benefits the enemies of America.
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