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1. Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:55:26 JST Phantasm

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   • Angry Sun
   @sun EU has been playing it like that for years. Pass something generally regarded as good and use that as leverage to pass something bad like chat control. People will then ignore the latter with arguments like "But they passed something good like X. They aren't that bad."
   
   The sad part about all of this, is that it works and the "save our children" excuse also works.
   
   It also doesn't help that EU politicians are usually dumb ones, that failed in their own country. It's a dumping ground for bad politicians that nobody wants at home.
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   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:55:27 JST Angry Sun
     Interesting how Europe has right to privacy but chat control is gonna pass but the USA has no real right to privacy but you can't legally coerce someone to give up their E2EE keys.
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   • ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:26:44 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @sun it's a right to privacy from everyone but the guvment
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   • kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:27:15 JST kuteboiCoder

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Angry Sun

     @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     I actually am a bit pessimistic that black-letter constitutionalism will hold, for the duration of my lifetime.
     
     "The First Amendment says" isn't going to protect you. Eventually it's going to matter whether or not we're bold enough that we won't shut up, even when they tell you to.

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:27:15 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan i was in an argument with an italian about this recently. he said something like "our constitution protects us from fascism" and i asked "and how does it do that?"
     
     i'm not sure if statists can be saved :blobcatgrimacing: some of these people need a good whopping of Stirner to remember that things happen because people make it happen not because somebody wrote on a paper.
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   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:27:16 JST Angry Sun

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan int he usa right to not self-incriminate has included not having to personally give up keys but yes if someone else holds the key for you, they don't even need a warrant, they can just issue a court order.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:27:17 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun I feel like it sort of balances out but in a really weird way.
     Specially when even with E2EE you still typically leak out a ton of metadata and USA's Patriot Act means they can seize everything (even if it's stored overseas due to CLOUD Act).
     
     That said I really wish things like right to remain silent would extend to encryption-keys/passwords/… because it's kind of bullshit otherwise.
   • kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:51:58 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world
     
     I think that the bluestate soycialist propagandists and bureaucrats are primarily scamming the $27 donations out of demographics that deserve to be scammed. Natural slaves and all that.
     
     State authority naturally emerges from the martial classes. Who formed this government? Who formed the first government?

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:51:58 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan not sure about that. seems everyone i meet who loves guns hates the state, and most of the people i meet who hate guns are the biggest serfs.
     
     there should be a little more martiality in society it seems, within reason.
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:52:04 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @KuteboiCoder @lanodan @sun remember that the control grid is essentially satanic and incompetent. everything they attach themselves to was a real movement. then they subvert it, skinsuit it, and wear it as a human suit for their actual agenda of controlling everything at all costs.
   • kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:52:06 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     I really think that this antiracism shit we're hearing about is nothing less than an attempt to legally vaporize the entire Bill of Rights.
     
     Freedom of speech? Slave owners wrote that. Right to bear arms? Slave owners wrote that. No quartering of soldiers? Slave owners wrote that.
     
     You thought that you had a right to life, and liberty, and pursuit of happiness, because slave owners told you so. Now face the wall.

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:52:06 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan antiracism has some roots in discourse that just 'not being racist' doesn't correct the damage caused by having been racist in the past.
     
     it's kind of like bankers stealing all your shit and then banning taking people's shit. you still live in squalor and they still live in towers, so the whole thing is performative.
     
     that being said i think people would be better served by general poverty uplift programs.