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mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:46:59 JST mental meltdown
@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy In fairness, much of that is because of incompetence on the part of the GIMP devs, the perpetual GEGL rewrite hell, and having to work around software patents. For something much closer to a viable competitor, see Krita.

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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:51:09 JST mental meltdown
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  @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos Also because Photoshop is nightmare spaghetti code which makes everyone dealing with it want to personally shoot the devs who made it. https://github.com/gco/xee/blob/master/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#L108
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:51:13 JST Jeff Cliff
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  software patents do not stem from 'volunteer nature' of free software/open source projects
  
  they stem from lawyers and their allies in government
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:51:14 JST ≠
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  @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
  Open Source projects have many such problems.
  This stems from their volunteer nature.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:56:50 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy https://www.gordoni.com/software-patents/statements/oracle.statement.html Oracle Corporation, of all interest groups, infamously noted this.
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- maxi (maxi@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:00:54 JST maxi
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  @netdoll @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos
  
  Krita is surprisingly good. Finding out about it spared me the misery of having to continue using GIMP.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:11:09 JST mental meltdown
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  @maxi @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos Yeah most of the KDE suite is pretty good.
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:12:47 JST ≠
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  @maxi @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff
  As you learn about Krita, keep in mind that it is not intended as a replacement for Photoshop. This means that the other programs may have more features than Krita for image manipulation tasks, such as stitching together photos, while Krita’s tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing.
  https://docs.krita.org/en/
  Interesting.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:13:44 JST mental meltdown
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  @amerika @maxi @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff It absolutely can work as a drop in for Photoshop in my experience but the main programs it's threatening happen to be things like Painter, SAI, and Clip Studio Paint
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:15:11 JST Jeff Cliff
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  > Krita’s tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing.
  
  that used to be 4 things people would use as examples for why photoshop / proprietary software was necessary
  
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- maxi (maxi@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:15:39 JST maxi
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  @netdoll @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos
  
  > It absolutely can work as a drop in for Photoshop
  
  That's my experience too. Obviously it can't run Photoshop plugins, but otherwise it's bordering on drop-in replacement.
  
  No idea why the devs are so shy about it and do not want to compare Krita against Photoshop.
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:16:01 JST Jeff Cliff
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  and other programs that nobody remembers because they were terrible and proprietary and krita has successfully dislodged them for awhile now.
  
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- Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:17:05 JST Moon
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  @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff i don't know when it changed but for a very long time they were up front that they didn't care if anybody else liked it or used it, they were developing it to scratch their itches
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:17:05 JST ≠
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  @Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff
  Humanity needs a good general image editing program. I have not yet seen anything as good as Photoshop for as wide a range of uses.
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:18:52 JST Jeff Cliff
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  needs vs. wants
  
  we could delete every version of photoshop everywhere
  
  and the world would go on, mostly as it was before. it might be annoying for some publishing houses but they'd mostly figure gimp out within a few weeks at worst.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:18:52 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon They actually wouldn't because (among other things) last I checked GIMP has no CMYK support
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:18:55 JST ≠
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  @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
  Sort of, not really. They want it protected as a trade secret.
  https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-that-never-ends-oracle-wins-latest-round-vs-google/
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:18:55 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  @amerika @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff oracle is known for being the most sue happy company in tech among other things. It's why zfs won't be in mainline Linux while the bsds don't care, though unlike java oracle abandoned Solaris.
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:19:44 JST Jeff Cliff
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  i thought a recent version(like since 2020) added that
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:19:44 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon That would be massive news if they did.
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:20:43 JST ≠
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  @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
  He's talking about the PSD format, not the Photoshop code.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:20:43 JST mental meltdown
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  @amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Yes, but the code itself is also nigh-incomprehensible spaghetti which clearly betrays MacApp roots
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:22:14 JST mental meltdown
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  @Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff For me, Photoshop 7 is the platonic ideal.
  
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- Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:22:15 JST Moon
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  @amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff the photoshop ui became good enough forever in 1998 with photoshop 5, it's certainly improved in many ways since then. however gimp is not remotely as bad as it used to be and it's tolerable to me now even if it still can't match 1998 photoshop
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:24:59 JST ≠
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll
  My point was addressing "incompetence on the part of the GIMP devs, the perpetual GEGL rewrite hell, and having to work around software patents"
  The first two are more the focus.
  The latter, one wonders how much of it is real, given how widely this software is emulated.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:24:59 JST mental meltdown
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  @amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Affinity is the only major vendor I can think which actually tries and comes close, otherwise there haven't been credible proprietary 1:1 Photoshop competitors since the 90s and everyone focuses on the painting niche instead since you're much less likely to step on Adobe's toes that way.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:27:11 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon I'm pretty sure all Photoshops up to 8 (CS) don't have internet activation and still work fine from purchased legal copies. This is certainly true for Photoshop 7 and before. There are also the end of life releases for CS2-CS4 but those are only available to registered Adobe customers and aren't able to be generally purchased.
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:27:12 JST Jeff Cliff
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  is it even legal to use 1998 photoshop anymore?
  
  i know they cancelled all their licenses and are forcing people into using always on surveillance devices in order to have the privilege of being adobe's victim now.
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:28:31 JST ≠
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  @Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff
  I feel like lots of us have not checked in since Photoshop 5 (or even 3.5) except by necessity of keeping up with the times.
  
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- Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:28:31 JST Moon
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  @amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff ironically the last photoshop i messed with was CS5 in 2010, same number plus CS, still 13 years obsolete ha.
  
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- ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:31:06 JST ≠
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  @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @Moon @jeffcliff
  Old win32 software does not work so well on Window 10 and 11, which often require it to be run in compatibility mode.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:31:06 JST mental meltdown
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  @amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @Moon @jeffcliff True, however, this is irrelevant if you run it under pre-activation versions of Windows using a VM or you run it under Wine.
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:34:03 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon As long as it needs to and FOSS devs don't get their heads out of the sand. GIMP will never reach functional equivalence, but that's entirely because of the GIMP devs being incompetents/CADT and not because of some inherent dysfunction in free software.
  
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- Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:34:04 JST Jeff Cliff
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  how long is this going to go on?
  
  "I am using a pirated copy of photoshop 5 from 150 years ago in a Windows 60,343 VM in a Windows 15 VM in a Windows XP VM. It's still better than gimp :blobshrug: "
  
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- mental meltdown (netdoll@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 05:34:50 JST mental meltdown
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  @jeffcliff @Eiregoat @Moon @adam @amerika @caekislove @moshguy @wjmaggos But I do anticipate a cult of people perpetually using and sticking to shrinkwrap 90s software because they really don't make them like they used to.
  
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