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1. Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:20:24 JST Strypey

   Just catching up with the WeDistribute.org articles about the harrassment of fediverse developers. I noticed at the time the vitriol against Ryan for adding ATProto support to BridgyFed...

   https://wedistribute.org/2024/02/tear-down-walls-not-bridges/

   ... and stuck up for him.

   But I had no idea what was happening to that poor guy from ContentNation;

   https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/

   Seriously WTF?!?

   #fediverse #harrassment

   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:20:21 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @Hyolobrika @strypey

     Let me put it to you this way..... I have some serious connections and can get access to some really fucked up shit, physical and digital, pretty readily.

     Even given all that, I don't think I could get my hands on CSAM if I wanted to pull a stunt like that. So that makes me think a few thoughts about the crowd that's so anti-public-meaning-public, and just so happens to have CSAM on hand (*cough* mastodon.art)

     Maybe... just maybe... They're trying to hide child abuse?

   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:20:21 JST 

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     @r000t @Hyolobrika @strypey >Maybe... just maybe... They're trying to hide child abuse?
     A few old-timers like @p could tell you about the reason why archiveteam.org abandoned their efforts at archiving fedi in its early days and how a certain instance targeting "LGBTQ+ youth" is related to that.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:20:22 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @Hyolobrika @strypey

     Wow. I just can't imagine what goes through these people's heads.

     "Ha, I'm so pious and justified in everything I do, and I dislike what this person is doing, so there's nothing wrong with me literally uploading CSAM to his service in order to get him shut down"

     They tell you that there is no neutral ground, that you have to pick a side, and you're either with them or against them.

     Do you want to be on the side that posts fucking child porn to get what they want?

   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:20:23 JST Hyolobrika

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     @strypey cc: @r000t
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 07:28:12 JST pistolero

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     @mint @r000t @Hyolobrika @strypey I think r000t was around for the berries.space debacle.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 18:44:59 JST pistolero

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     @strypey @mint @r000t @Hyolobrika
     
     > I would like to read more about this.
     
     I'm not the expert, but I was there; the rough timeline was that they announced a closure, someone started archiving them, the adults running the site that billed itself as a place for LGBT kids to express their sexuality had things like half-dressed 12-year-old girls posting a selfies in bed and saying they were "bored", and that's the public timeline. The adults that ran the site were enthusiastic about this until the archiving started. The justification for the freakout was "What if their parents go reading the archive of a website about gay children hornyposting, and then find their own kid, and then kick the kid out of the house?" There was enough of a backlash that people are still freaking out about "archiving".
     
     > I'd love for some of the public fediverse to be archived, but it's pretty obvious that it needs to be selective and opt-in.
     
     Does it? Once a piece of data leaves your computer, you cannot control it. The whole thing reeks of an attempt at preemptive damage control, content-licensing, whatever. When I stood up this machine and pointed fsebugoutzone.org at it, I wrote in the instance description that it was a temporary domain for FSE, I put in the blog post that this was a temporary domain for FSE, I put "FSE" in the domain, and several Mastodongs freaked out regardless, and screenshat and archive.is'd (Are they worried I'm going to take down the blog post? Why would I announce something that I didn't want people to know?), and I didn't opt in, I didn't agree to anything, I never gave my consent to be quoted or to have anything I wrote reproduced. Quite the opposite: these people believe that it's important that they keep a copy I *cannot* delete. This is not just ignoring consent, but actively rejecting it. It does not bother me, though: they have a right to remember what they want and if they want to use a machine to help them remember, do I have some kind of right to not be quoted, copied, screenshitted, etc.? On the balance, I think the people that are most worried about this are doing something shady and they don't want anyone to connect the dots. berries.space is one such example.
     
     Aside from that, everything you say on here is archived indefinitely by large swaths of fedi: there are 29,508 active servers as of this minute, and a large number of them have copies of this entire conversation.
     
     Not just that, but a public archive is beneficial to the public. We had that run-in with the FBI a while back: I was trying to figure out how pedophiles kept landing on FSE, and poring over the logs, and I see boardreader.com. I start tugging at that thread and boardreader.com, owned by SocialGist, had been archiving the entirety of fedi, but only doing it by hammering FSE's public global timeline (through residential proxies and impersonating a browser), and then attributing everything on every server to to FSE. So I complain, and very shortly after that I get an email from the FBI, and apparently SocialGist had some agreement with the feds, and they were feeding data to the FBI and the FBI wanted me to hand over information on a user on an external server, information I did not have.
     
     You can also see these other sites, there are "AI" companies using fedi to train their models, search engines building indexes, or people archiving all of it for undisclosed reasons that remain a mystery. What do they have? At least if there is a public archive, you can find out.
     
     > Given the ability to opt-in to Mastodon posts being keyword searchable now, this has become more tractable.
     
     It's a cruel joke. Gargrolon Mastodon is willing to sell a false sense of security for the sake of branding.
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   • Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Jul-2024 18:45:00 JST Strypey

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     @mint
     > A few old-timers like @p could tell you about the reason why archiveteam.org abandoned their efforts at archiving fedi in its early days

     I would like to read more about this. I'd love for some of the public fediverse to be archived, but it's pretty obvious that it needs to be selective and opt-in. Given the ability to opt-in to Mastodon posts being keyword searchable now, this has become more tractable.

     @p @r000t @Hyolobrika