@anime_outdoor @yockeypuck @confederatehobo FWIW I grew up packing heavy, I was the mule for the fam much of the time. I didn't know you COULD pack light until I did it on my own. I lived out of the pack here and there, some food, extra layers, socks, katadyn, camelback, hiked a lot down south like that....then realized I like having luxuries