@synapsid @matty @Jonaschuzzlewit @RMIV @Twoinchdestroya What sucks is that bringing up the prospect of fraternal orders, like the old school ones you see in the midwest, is always conflated with illuminati/freemason nonsense so guys avoid it even in the hypoethetical.
It at least won't be on the table until the boomers are done and gone. All it takes right now is ONE guy's dad showing up and insisting on bringing his "legit, based" black neighbor/coworker and the whole thing will be sued into oblivion