@amiloradovsky @cell @newt @sim I'm not disagreeing with the fact that you've had negative experiences BTW. Just saying for me the whole idea of living in any area where you can't spread out a little bit means less ability to grow and higher dependence on fragile systems which invariably for me would lead to more stress. Knowing I have enough water on hand and equipment and skills to procure more should the need arise is also a huge destresser.