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1. Owl! 🦉 (lonelyowl13@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 12:28:43 JST Owl! 🦉

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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
   • Scott Santens
   @freemo @scottsantens
   
   Bruh. Let's maybe go total anarcho-capitalism with no welfare? Honestly, it will be more efficient and friendly to poor people.
   
   > it causes people more harm than good.
   
   The shitty conditional welfare just lock poor uneducated people out of jobs. For example, someone have no job and therefore receives unemployment benefits. If this person finds a job, they will no longer receive unemployment benefits. But they only have an option to apply for a shitty job with salary lower than their unemployment benefit, therefore, it is not profitable for them to look for a job at all. This (and high minimum wages) is the exact mechanics that cause ghettos in france.
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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 12:28:44 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Scott Santens

     @scottsantens

     As someone who is strongly against UBI, and strongly supportive of welfare I can earnestly say people simply not working is not at all the reason I (or most people against UBI in my opinion) are against it.

     The reason i am against it is because it causes people more harm than good. People who are in a position where they need assistance need to be given the tools to get out of their situation, and the help to get there needs to be conditional on this (and we should be spending the money that goes with that). Financial assistance should be conditional with mandatory job training or mental health therapy needed to help someone succeed, not just money.

     In fact when there are underlying bad habits, as can often be the case, it is possible money can even make a persons condition worse and cause them to sleep farther into poverty.

   • Scott Santens (scottsantens@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 28-Apr-2024 12:28:45 JST Scott Santens

     We worry about providing Universal Basic Income because people might stop working, but here's a thought: maybe, just maybe, with a little financial security, people might actually pursue work they truly choose rather than work to just not die. Imagine that world for a moment.