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1. Рождество Bosch (anonymousbosch@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:28:16 JST Рождество Bosch

   Effortpoast time as I grade papers before the holidays:

   Many of my peers that fall into the minority of “capable” teachers and /ourguys/ that I chat with regularly are growing increasingly concerned about AI-generated papers (see for example: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/12/chatgpt-ai-writing-college-student-essays/672371/). One of my peers even suggested that this will necessitate the return to handwritten or typewritten papers in order to circumvent the ability of students to create plagiarism free, totally unique papers created by a computer prompt. While I would welcome the return of classical writing that this would inevitably produce, I’m not so certain that it’s entirely productive.

   1. Non-digital papers are, ironically, harder to detect plagiarism on because I cannot put them through a database and have to depend on my ability to memorize entire passages of academic texts. That would be incredible, but I’ll be the first to admit I’m too retarded for that.
   2. The ability for good students to retain the ability to research and write digitally is much more efficient when it comes to finding decent (and rare) sources and fixing errors without starting a whole new damned page (anyone who’s ever used a typewriter can commiserate with me on this).
   3. And most importantly, I’m not convinced that AI writing won’t actually be helpful at weeding out shit students. Anyone willing to shell out for a pre-generated paper with zero novel ideas will immediately wash out once they have to produce something of value in oral exams, practical testing (for STEM), or new research methodology in a field that a computer can’t just fart out (because it can only produce from available data). It’s self-correcting, just on a longer time frame than most people are comfortable allowing when it comes to “getting away” with cheating.

   I’m curious to see what the ramifications of this will be outside of my own little bubble of “high school and undergrad classes” that I teach, and would love to know what others think of the potential consequences of this.

   • Serf (serfnusa@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:28:15 JST Serf

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     @AnonymousBosch In the same way AI is making mediocre artists obsolete it has the potential to make mediocre students obsolete. And why not? The degree is meaningless, the jobs aren’t there, the work is busywork, why bother with any of it? I guess the problem is schools in America aren’t really equipped to teach anything but rote memorization to mediocre students. We’d have to go back to a style of teaching that doesn’t work with a 90iq population. In other words, the contradictions of America are too great and won’t allow any good solutions to serious problems.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:28:21 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @AnonymousBosch one guy operating AI for work said “you’re all using it wrong, instead of thinking about AI as a competent worker, you need to think of it as if you have access to unlimited incompetent employees“

   • JohnnyAppleseed (johnnyappleseed@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:52:34 JST JohnnyAppleseed

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     • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

     @WashedOutGundamPilot @AnonymousBosch I’ve also used the term “retarded child.”

     AI does what you tell it to do. That’s what throws a lot of people, it does exactly what you tell it do. So if your instructions are vague or imprecise you’ll be unhappy. It can’t read your mind and just give you what you want.

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   • Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄 (rwoeidk@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 12:11:26 JST Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄

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     @AnonymousBosch Some engineering professors allow manuals or references during tests, which is a great filter for dummies, because they will take 50 books they haven't read and waste their time
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   • Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄 (rwoeidk@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 12:11:27 JST Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄

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     @AnonymousBosch >One of my peers even suggested that this will necessitate the return to handwritten or typewritten papers in order to circumvent the ability of students to create plagiarism
     An idea so dumb, it could only come from an intellectual, hear me out:
     >use AI paper generator
     >copy by hand what it gives out
     >"it was handwritten so it must be original"
     It gets in the way of nothing, except a tad of carpal tunnel, and it makes your job harder because you will need OCR software on top of plagiarism detectors
   • Рождество Bosch (anonymousbosch@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 12:11:27 JST Рождество Bosch

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     • Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄

     @Rwoeidk He meant handwritten in class, give the guys on our side some credit.

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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Dec-2022 12:12:52 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Rwoeidk 🎅🏻🥂🎄

     @Rwoeidk @AnonymousBosch On thing I really liked from my AP hist class was his habit of making us basically write ‘takes’ on events of the time from a frame of mind in the era, like we were shitposting in 1900. Was an interesting way of looking at it and getting people to think outside of the box.