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munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:15:49 JST munir
@LostShakerOfSalt @theorytoe @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas It really depends. The scholars are divided on this. Ultraconservatives say that the Hadith is true and that he did marry Aisha when she was 6 and and consummated at 9 but defend it by saying that it was a very common practice in that time; which is true; in those times child marriage was very common in all regions. Liberal muslims however seek to disprove this and say that it was false fabrication made to give Muhammed a bad name and that it was done by Hisham ibn Urwa.

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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:18:55 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas umm I don't think that was normal? See, the marriage age is younger than this day but it's not like people fucked children.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:24:02 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  People got married when women hit puberty back then and life expectancies were shorter. Waiting until 18 would be over half your life.
  
  But I’m not arguing that she was 9yo. I’ve always said that she was 19 based on historical events.
  
  Any hadith of herself claiming so is her repeating a false claim. She didn’t know her age and they didn’t have calendars at that time.
  
  Hadith just means someone said a thing. Her age is not an islamic matter, that’s not to say AOC is irrelevant; stating your age is not an islamic matter.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:26:08 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas >People got married when women hit puberty back then and life expectancies were shorter. Waiting until 18 would be over half your life.
  
  Yes but not that young, they married when they're older like 13 or more. Even so, the marriage would be consummated at older age.
  
  >Any hadith of herself claiming so is her repeating a false claim. She didn’t know her age and they didn’t have calendars at that time.
  
  People have calendar in the year 600, how dumb are you?
  
  >Hadith just means someone said a thing. Her age is not an islamic matter, that’s not to say AOC is irrelevant; stating your age is not an islamic matter.
  
  It's relevant, you know why? That means there's an argument for underage marriage, which has been a massive practice in the Islamic world compared to the Christian world.
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:26:25 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas It was rather common in America though? Marriages were consummated as soon as the child hit puberty, also finally a real discussion instead of just racist slur spamming
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:27:11 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas not at 9 fren, I remember reading a wikipedia article about a guy marrying someone from Sneedville, the age is much older than that but definitely under 18.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:33:30 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas >Why do you believe that?
  
  Fucking records of Roman marriage? No one was insane enough to get married to 9 years old????
  
  >The Arabs at that time didn’t. How dumb are you?
  
  They fucking do, all civilizations have calendar you retard. The ancient people aren't as dumb as you do, when they have writing system they will absolutely have a calendar system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabian_calendar
  
  >Someone saying their age is not an islamic matter. Hadiths are a collection of quotes by important people in Islam. It is not a collection of all correct things. Even other hadiths are scrutinised, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
  
  Wow there's definitely no implication about sexual matters with underage girl. Not a single thing being dismissed about that.
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  1. Pre-Islamic Arabian calendar
    
    Several calendars have been used in pre-Islamic Arabia. Inscriptions of the ancient South Arabian calendars reveal the use of a number of local calendars. At least some of these South Arabian calendars followed the lunisolar system. For Central Arabia, especially Mecca, there is a lack of epigraphic evidence, but details are found in the writings of Muslim authors of the Abbasid era. Some historians maintain that the pre-Islamic calendar used in Central Arabia was a purely lunar calendar similar to the modern Islamic calendar. Others concur that the pre-Islamic calendar was originally a lunar calendar, but suggest that about 200 years before the Hijra it was transformed into a lunisolar calendar, which had an intercalary month added from time to time to keep the pilgrimage within the season of the year when merchandise was most abundant. Pre-Islamic day names The names for the days of the week in pre-Islamic Arabia were changed during the era of Islam to numbers ("the first (day)", "the second (day)", etc.) with the exception of the sixth day, "Friday", whose name means "congregation", in reference to this being the Islamic...
- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:33:36 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  >Yes but not that young, they married when they're older like 13 or more. Even so, the marriage would be consummated at older age.
  Why do you believe that?
  >People have calendar in the year 600, how dumb are you?
  The Arabs at that time didn’t. How dumb are you?
  > It's relevant, you know why? That means there's an argument for underage marriage, which has been a massive practice in the Islamic world compared to the Christian world.
  Someone saying their age is not an islamic matter. Hadiths are a collection of quotes by important people in Islam. It is not a collection of all correct things. Even other hadiths are scrutinised, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:33:57 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas this is why the Bible is superior, you could read it yourself and understand the meaning.
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:33:59 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas im gonna be honest, ive "read" the quran meaning i can read quranic arabic but not understand what any of it means, im just going by what i have collected by seeing other debates
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:34:57 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @LostShakerOfSalt @MMS21 @andreas @lonestarr @theorytoe i tried buying a copy of both the quran and bible for some reason, but was stopped by my mother and hence never got around to it.
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:36:49 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas wasnt the bible originally written in latin then later translated to english, i dont know latin
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:37:19 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas oh just grab a translation to your language, there should be one because it's the most translated book on the planet.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:41:44 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas >nigga nobody reads the bible and understands the trinity or what God really is. That is taught after by the church fathers.
  
  It's a mystery of the faith, there's some deep dive by some thinkers that are far more intelligent than me but for most people they just need to understand that it's a mystery of God, They are all part of God, not one is superior to the other, All exist throughout the time and They all love you as Their best creation. The core message here is LOVE. Everyone can understand it, no one really need to do a deep dive into all the theological bickering to know that God loves you.
  
  >Meanwhile the Quran makes it clear on the first page. How can you still criticise the Quran when you haven’t read a single page. You that if you did you’d disintegrate.
  
  What does it say?
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:41:45 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  nigga nobody reads the bible and understands the trinity or what God really is. That is taught after by the church fathers.
  
  Meanwhile the Quran makes it clear on the first page. How can you still criticise the Quran when you haven’t read a single page. You that if you did you’d disintegrate.
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:42:01 JST munir
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @MK2boogaloo @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas Let's not degrade to name calling please. Keep it mature over here. thanks
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:53:29 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas the real issue is, the translations are very very disputed. somebody says Buy the king james, buy this, buy that and same for quran also
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 23:54:03 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas fuck those people, the word of God can't be mistranslated so easily. Just buy a Bible from the book store.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:00:24 JST New Janny in Town
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  @andreas @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 >anonymous
  
  This is why we have an institution called the Magisterium.
  
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- andreas (andreas@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:00:25 JST andreas
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 If it was written and copied by anonymous jews over generations that increases the likelihood of mistranslation.
  
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- munir (munir@fedi.munir.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:07:03 JST munir
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas I could search this on the internet but could you give me a tldr of the offshoots of christianity like the difference between all of them? the website are full of yapping
  
  Catholicism, Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Oriental Orthodoxy, and Assyrians. Restorationism
  
  what is the difference between these
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:07:22 JST New Janny in Town
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  @munir @theorytoe @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas let's talk about this in different thread.
  
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- andreas (andreas@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:09:36 JST andreas
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 It does not change the fact that the magiasterium is still using anonymous jewish writings written several centuries after events that has no basis in reality.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:09:36 JST New Janny in Town
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  @andreas @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 the magisterium is highly regulated institution of the Catholic church, anyone entering it must have serious theological knowledge and experience for years, not anyone could enter. Do you think mistranslating things are easy? They had to check, recheck, rerecheck and do even more complicated step just to get a single thing written. About the books themselves, they all have names on them, try looking them up instead of playing Skyrim all day.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:10:06 JST New Janny in Town
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  @andreas @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 which God do you serve?
  
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- andreas (andreas@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:10:07 JST andreas
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  @munir @theorytoe @MK2boogaloo @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 different flavours of mental poison.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:20:37 JST New Janny in Town
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  @andreas @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 >no epistemological ground
  >no valid science background
  >invalid terminology
  
  Right, people from Europe must have been so backward back then that they all believe in Jewish made stuff weren't they? White people must be hella dumb weren't they? I'm glad I didn't believe in any of what those people say. Odin actually made them stronger, that's why they managed to conquer America and establish many great empires.
  
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- andreas (andreas@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:20:38 JST andreas
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 your catholic church has no grasp of the epistemological of a what makes a God a God if they base their terminology and spirituality upon the jewish religion (catch 22 if they deny all jewish phopecies then their religion is false if they affirm it then their fetishization of a non-divine messiah is apostasy). Sorry but theology is not a valid science if it lacks any scientific methodology to it. Less than skyrim.
  
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- andreas (andreas@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:21:05 JST andreas
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 You serve the jewish people. That is your god.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:21:05 JST New Janny in Town
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  @andreas @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 you aren't even willing to answer me, who's your Pagan God bro?
  
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- Komnene (komnene@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 00:44:39 JST Komnene
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  @MK2boogaloo @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas you don't need gross mistranslation when they were fine butchering each other over stuff like homousion homoiousios homoios hypostasis and filioque
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:05:21 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas tell me which part was mistranslated?
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:05:22 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  But was it was mistranslated and altered
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:24:28 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas this youtube video is definitely going to debunk 2000 years of Christian history.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:24:29 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  https://youtu.be/LGxIyxxgjcU
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:25:52 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @munir @theorytoe @MK2boogaloo @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @MMS21 @andreas >wasnt the bible originally written in latin
  :alex_lol: No the old testament in "Ancient Hebrew " and the new testament in greek.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:33:53 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  what you're supposed to do is say how it isn't mistranslated. please don't act like the bible is perfect when we all know there are additions, redactions and mistranslated verses. there probably isn't a single page where this isn't true.
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:33:53 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas what you're supposed to do is say how it isn't mistranslated. please don't act like the Quran is perfect when we all know there are additions, redactions and mistranslated verses. there probably isn't a single page where this isn't true.
  
  try pointing out something instead of telling retarded shit. Where do you live? Have you been living in a Muslim community before?
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:38:59 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas AAAH A YOUTUBE VIDEO WHAT A BANE TO CHRISTENDOM, CHRISTIANITY WILL CEASE TO EXIST AFTER I WATCH THIS VIDEO.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:39:00 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  >what you're supposed to do is say how it isn't mistranslated
  another L for christians the video already explained it
  
  i've put up with your disingenuous rat nature for too long, run along now and pray to your man-god that was killed.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:42:34 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  yeah it will, the medium doesn't matter. do you want a book as well? https://goddidntsaythat.com/
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:42:34 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas noooo a book, how will Christianity ever recover from this? I guess people for 2000 years have been fooled, they're all suffering in hell now for not reading this book.
  
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- MMS21 :blinkot: (mms21@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:50:41 JST MMS21 :blinkot:
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  what medium would you prefer?
  
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- New Janny in Town (mk2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 01:50:41 JST New Janny in Town
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  @MMS21 @theorytoe @munir @LostShakerOfSalt @lonestarr @andreas an ancient text, preferably from something before the French revolution.
  
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