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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 01:58:32 JST Aral Balkan

   • Eugen Rochko

   Dear @Gargron,

   A fediverse server called Threads* is violating mastodon.social’s second server rule:

   “2. No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia…
   Transphobic behavior such as intentional misgendering and deadnaming is strictly prohibited.”

   https://glaad.org/smsi/report-meta-fails-to-moderate-extreme-anti-trans-hate-across-facebook-instagram-and-threads/

   Can you please defederate from this server to protect the trans people on mastodon.social?

   Thank you.

   * PS. It’s run by these guys: https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/26/facebook-secret-project-snooped-snapchat-user-traffic/

   #mastodonSocial #fediblock #threads #meta #mastodon #transphobia

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 05:05:31 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • YennyPenny1

     @YennyPenny1 Right, why should we care about the well being of others, right? Excellent philosophy. Very caring. Very humane. *smh* Goodbye.

   • YennyPenny1 (yennypenny1@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 05:05:32 JST YennyPenny1

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron To dedicate time, effort and brain cells to formulate arguments against something that doesn't directly affect you baffles me . Why not just move away, block or ignore that which you can't understand? I'm neither pro or against trans people , it's their lives but this open outrage is getting out of control . I didn't need to read, write or see that. 😕

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 07:12:49 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Nick Walsh

     @NickWalsh @Gargron Hey Nick,

     Fuck off.

     Sincerely,
     Me

   • Nick Walsh (nickwalsh@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 07:12:50 JST Nick Walsh

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron New here.. .Can you explain how something typed on a screen can hurt anyone? Are you saying that some people are so fragile that words ruin them? If you are trying to make the platform WOKE, then just say it. People don't need to be here. If this is not a platform of free speech and fair debate, then just say it. Brand yourselves as extreme left. It is your right to be any flavor you want. If you think you can survive on that market, then go for it. I support your efforts. But don't ever think you can bully me into how I should think. That will never happen.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:06:47 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @Gargron If the two links I provided in the original post do not meet your bar for defederation then there’s something wrong with your bar. It also tells me your instance is not a safe space for vulnerable groups. And if your instance happens to be the flagship one and you’re fine with this, it tells me you’re legitimising this behaviour on the greater network.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:06:48 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron

     If we grow, there will always be a ton of people able to make a decent argument that something is racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic. it will be endless battles between mods over what justifies action or else face defederation. and also tons of individuals having no idea they are silenced by entire servers. I get strict rules internally but servers blocking/silencing servers or individuals must require a higher bar and be done more transparently. #fediblockmeta

   • Mister Moo 🐮 (mistermoo@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:10:18 JST Mister Moo 🐮

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron Just to give the other side of this: there are probably a lot of pro-trans people who see server-level defederation of an instance as big as Threads as a draconian over-reaction in light of available user-level blocking tools. I just don't see any room in this thread for reasonable disagreement. It doesn't help that the few people I *am* seeing disagree are wearing their awfulness on their sleeves. Social media incentivizes a black-or-white viewpoint and I see tons of that here.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:10:18 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mister Moo 🐮

     @MisterMoo @Gargron And are all these pro-trans people who want to federate with Threads in the room with you now?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:17:50 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • monorail times

     @monorailtimes @Gargron You’re not confused, you’re privileged.

   • monorail times (monorailtimes@worldkey.io)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 16:17:51 JST monorail times

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron then don’t follow people on threads? I’m confused.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:05:41 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Ignacio 🇪🇸🇺🇦:peertube:

     @icg937 Gee, I guess it must be a conspiracy.

   • Ignacio 🇪🇸🇺🇦:peertube: (icg937@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:05:42 JST Ignacio 🇪🇸🇺🇦:peertube:

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron Interesting that nobody puts on the table the third server rule:

     "3. No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies...
     Support for violent groups or events is prohibited."

     While some usual suspects, like masto.nobigtech.es blatantly support Ukrainian genocide by Ruzzia and call nazis to Ukrainian people, and nobody asks for defederation. I wonder why :thonking:

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:06:45 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • eatyourglory

     @eatyourglory In the same way that defederating Gab is.

   • eatyourglory (eatyourglory@mastodon.uno)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:06:46 JST eatyourglory

     in reply to

     @aral Genuine question, how is defederating threads protecting trans people?

   • darth_akeda (darth_akeda@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:26:20 JST darth_akeda

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • william.maggos

     @aral @wjmaggos @Gargron You mean vulnerable groups that don’t include Black and Brown people. There’s plenty of evidence regarding how they’ve been treated especially during the great Twitter migration, by many of the same people and instances worried about Threads, yet those instances weren’t defederated. I’m all for protecting people but clearly you guys are only about protecting white people. Didn’t see this outrage when Black people expressed their treatment

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:26:20 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • darth_akeda

     @darth_akeda Clearly, you’re making assumptions about people you don’t know. But I am white-passing and you probably assume I’m also American so I guess that’s why. (Hint: I’m from the part of the world that Americans bomb.)

     Anyway, so, needless to say, no, of course that’s not what I mean but I also don’t appreciate being attacked for what you assume me to be.

   • Bear (bear@social.bear.garden)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 20:55:32 JST Bear

     in reply to

     @aral A lot of the people responding to your toot seemed to have skipped over the articles you linked to, and your point.

     Meta is not operating openly and they are not moderating effectively.

     😐

   • Erik Jonker (erikjonker@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 21:06:43 JST Erik Jonker

     in reply to

     • Bear

     @bear @aral ...but isn't the practical solution moving to another server that doesn't federate with threads, that's the nice part of the fediverse, you can make choices?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 28-Mar-2024 21:06:43 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Erik Jonker
     • Bear

     @ErikJonker @bear Of course. But when the flagship instance makes a choice, it means something. Should there be a flagship instance? No, that’s a design failure. But there is. So what they do matters. Mastodon.social federating with Meta/Facebook/Threads legitimises Meta/Facebook/Threads. One of the ways we said the fediverse (and Mastodon, initially) was different was that instances would protect people, not just leave them to fend for themselves.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 29-Mar-2024 01:23:50 JST Aral Balkan

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • madhadron

     @madhadron @Gargron Not my server, not my admins. But the flagship Mastodon server.

   • madhadron (madhadron@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 29-Mar-2024 01:23:51 JST madhadron

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko

     @aral @Gargron Wait, your admins were stupid enough to federate with Facebook? Yeesh.