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1. Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:08:20 JST Eugen Rochko

   We've updated the rules of our flagship server mastodon.social today. Most are the same with some clarifications, but one rule is new: Content created by others must be attributed, and use of AI must be disclosed. Profiles that only post AI-generated content will not be tolerated.

   • AlinskyDidNothingWrong (wnc_wobbly@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:10:25 JST AlinskyDidNothingWrong

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     @Gargron progress towards an organic certification for online content, awesome.

   • Michael (tacticalgrace_@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:11:32 JST Michael

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     @Gargron I love you. Genuinely. That is a wonderful stance to take.

   • popey (popey@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:12:40 JST popey

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     @Gargron So, zero memes?

   • Christoffer Talleraas (talleraas@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:15:55 JST Christoffer Talleraas

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     @Gargron great choice!

   • Katzentratschen (katzentratschen@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:17:41 JST Katzentratschen

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     @Gargron Bravo!

   • Emmet Broaders (broaders@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:20:10 JST Emmet Broaders

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     @Gargron hell yeah

   • Sean Heber (bigzaphod@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:20:57 JST Sean Heber

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     @Gargron I think this is a generally good move, but I hope this rule doesn't accidentally ban memes.

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:21:51 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Sean Heber

     @bigzaphod Memes are not the target of this rule. There's quite an obvious difference between a meme and someone reposting someone else's artwork without credit.

   • Sean Heber (bigzaphod@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:22:13 JST Sean Heber

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     @Gargron I was hoping that was the case and it was targeted at artwork and the like. Thanks for the clarification!

   • Steve Troughton-Smith (stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:27:17 JST Steve Troughton-Smith

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     @Gargron *strongly* disagree with that last one, when full disclosure is provided. Cuts off all kinds of interesting use cases and bots (like automated support for apps), and means if you do talk about generative art you can’t post it to a secondary profile to spare your main feed followers. Like it or not, mastodon.social *is* Mastodon to an awful lot of people, and this effectively becomes a blanket ban. I certainly wouldn't be posting here if I had to be on another instance

   • Ben Brockert (wikkit@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:32:14 JST Ben Brockert

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     @Gargron Is there some way we're supposed to know about rules changes?

   • BoneHouseWasps 🔶 (bonehousewasps@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:40:33 JST BoneHouseWasps 🔶

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     @Gargron This is great news! Thank you.

   • Brick Duck (woltiv@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:51:52 JST Brick Duck

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     @Gargron One of the first things I interacted with on mastodon was a little bot that would post a poll, then generate an image based on the winning option. It was clearly marked as AI, I think those kind of things should still be allowed. A blanket "profiles that only post ai-generated content will not be tolerated" is too strict.

   • 🇺🇦 haxadecimal (brouhaha@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:57:39 JST 🇺🇦 haxadecimal

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     @Gargron Natural Stupdity is still allowed, and even encouraged.
     :-)

     I like the new rule.

   • Lil Meow Meow (lil_meow_meow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 04:57:54 JST Lil Meow Meow

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     @Gargron

     Does it suffice the rules if I post a picture that has a watermark with the originator's account or the artist's/photographer's name?

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:14:18 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Feyter

     @feyter What do you mean by that? What do newspapers have to do with this?

   • Feyter (feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:14:19 JST Feyter

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     @Gargron so... no newspapers anymore?

   • Chancerubbage (chancerubbage@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:25:24 JST Chancerubbage

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     @Gargron so…

     Someone posts a meme /gif/or clip of Meryl Streep at an awards show, just as a claque bot might. As I just saw in the replies here.

     Perhaps the alt text is chock full of attributions.

     Will that be considered ‘content created by others, needing full attribution’, or, fair use?

   • contranym (makeitmythic@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:25:41 JST contranym

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     @Gargron i think ai only accounts could be fine if theyre clearly marked, but i dont make the rules.

   • Meercat ✅ (meercat0@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:34:47 JST Meercat ✅

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     @Gargron Good

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:39:29 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Bø!rge
     • Sean Heber

     @forteller @bigzaphod It's not a magic spell that will automatically prevent you from posting memes. It just gives us wiggle room to moderate reported content.

   • Bø!rge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:39:35 JST Bø!rge

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     • Sean Heber

     @Gargron @bigzaphod I hope the actual rule is phrased differently from your recap of it here, then. Because saying all content crested by others must be attributed does ban memes, and lots of other things, no matter the intention behind it.

   • Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 05:47:59 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron what about AI generated cover images from linked posts?

   • Jeff Grigg (jeffgrigg@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 06:11:03 JST Jeff Grigg

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     • Sean Heber

     @Gargron @bigzaphod

     "AI Generated Memes Are The New Thing!!!"

   • Ian Langham (langhamian@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 06:21:04 JST Ian Langham

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     @Gargron as a traditional artist, I can't thank you enough.

     I deeply appreciate the changes.

     Thank you.

   • DNA schedule (ryanprior@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 06:24:41 JST DNA schedule

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     @Gargron how does this interact with memes? Would posting a reaction image without crediting the photographer be a violation?

   • postmasters (postmasters@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 07:19:44 JST postmasters

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     • Dave Volek
     • Democracy & Human Rights Feed

     @Gargron I don't care for adms making rules for the pubic. The better way is for the adms to agree to submit to the rule of a constitution.

     @davevolek #constitution #democracy @democracy @DemocracyNow_Headlines_rss

   • SomethingShooterDev69 (angry84@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 07:52:39 JST SomethingShooterDev69

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     @Gargron while this does not affect myself, it seems a little against what mastodon was about.

     It's one thing for unique artwork, but things like posting pictures of objects to describe something will be a pain in the ...

     How do we also define AI content? Untouched by a human, 10% to 90% changed by a human after generating?

     What next.... Community notes?

   • Oleg Shanyuk (gelosi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 07:54:56 JST Oleg Shanyuk

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     @Gargron marking AI content is a good start. Happens, some researchers publish only results of their work, which can be interesting, yet, violates the statement of tolerance. Perhaps, it’s okay to let people decide what they want to follow?

     Or im missing a good context behind the statement?

   • Ness (escgoat@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 08:22:18 JST Ness

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     @Gargron HELL YES!
     Thank you for letting us all know.

   • Ed Bilodeau (edbilodeau@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 10:12:23 JST Ed Bilodeau

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     @Gargron is there more information on this posted somewhere?

   • The Mïghty Kräcken (klaxun@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 10:50:48 JST The Mïghty Kräcken

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     @Gargron will it be a problem if I post random memes that I find online that have no attribution?

   • programmerByDay (programmerbyday@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 14:21:44 JST programmerByDay

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     @Gargron thanks

   • Random-02 (danielastorconde@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 15:28:21 JST Random-02

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     @Gargron that’s an interesting approach to the problem :Blobhaj:

   • Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Mar-2024 16:40:16 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron Mastodon's Translate feature uses DeepL, which uses AI to provide the translation. Does it break the new rule or is it a special case?

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 03:22:42 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Ténno Seremélʹ

     @tennoseremel Mass reports don't matter. All reports are reviewed by human moderators, and the quantity does not play a role.

   • Ténno Seremélʹ (tennoseremel@lor.sh)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 03:22:43 JST Ténno Seremélʹ

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     @Gargron Normal artist getting mass-reported as AI in 3, 2, 1…

   • Kyle Howells (ikyle@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:53:02 JST Kyle Howells

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     @Gargron The actual details of these rules seem ill thought out and short sighted.
     And some, like the AI rules just out right wrong.
     (Given a separate rule explicitly allows bot accounts and all modern bots from this point forward will most likely be using LLMs to generate the final text to the end user)

     Unfortunately mastodon.social basically IS Mastodon for most people so these rules will have an outsized effect.

   • Deadly Headshot (dheadshot@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 09:28:17 JST Deadly Headshot

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     @Gargron
     How widely does "AI-generated" apply? Is it just LLMs and Dali-like image generators or does it include bots that reply to people? (I forget if they're allowed here at all, TBH, but I know people do run them)...

   • Ben Brockert (wikkit@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:00:25 JST Ben Brockert

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     @Gargron How are users of the server supposed to know about rules updates?