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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:49:51 JST 
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@SuperSnekFriend
It's quite tiresome to hear these CI retards here claim to have read the Bible and conveniently ignore this. The polygamy hellthread that a bunch of ncd people want to take the side of the jews on is pathetic.
Galatians 5
The Importance of Faith.[a] 1 For freedom[b] Christ set us free; so stand firm and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery.
2 It is I, Paul, who am telling you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 Once again I declare to every man who has himself circumcised that he is bound to observe the entire law.[c] 4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we await the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.[d]-
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:49:50 JST 
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend I always avoided getting into the weeds on the polygamy issue by drawing upon Christ's relationship with the church. He's called the Bridegroom in....John and other spots, (I'm rusty so it might be Luke too/or) and it's extremely monogamous in sentiment.
I'm sure there's some slippage in the exact definitions as translated but it's good enough for me, never seemed like something we need to prosecute too much - polygamy seems lesser, like something that belongs in the OT. I've never really understood how it really comes up so much, none of us ever date 2 women for more than a few months at a time, pretending we need to have some stance on the issue in anything but a bored Sunday chat is pointless to me.
I know guys can bring up survival rates, or all kinds of left-brain reasons for having half a dozen wives, but it doesn't feel right, you're stealing from your brothers in the fold, dividing your scant resources even more, and giving your children an inferior quality of life. Nobody wants to grow up with courtly intrigue, one of 30 contenders vying for daddy's attention and love.
Even in cases of infertility, well....I'm not the one to speak on it. I missed the thread so IDK what was up with it but I like romantic sentiments, they're cute
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❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:02 JST 
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@wgiwf I wanted to take on Omega when he said, "Neither NT nor OT has an statement against polygamy," which is not true. I was not feeling well enough to enter a religious hellthread a couple of days ago, so I didn't say anything.
The perfect clincher is posting Christ' response to the Sanhedrin regarding Moses allowing certificates, which they misinterpreted and abused:
"[The Pharisees] said to him, 'Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?'
[Christ] said to them, 'Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.'" (Matthew 19:7-8)
I doubt the Identitarians would start promoting divorce like polygamy because Moses, under the Spirit's direction, allowed painful and regulated divorce under the harsh circumstance of the pre-Christ ANE.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:29 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@SuperSnekFriend @KnifeEar That's what I cited but you know those kind like to claim since it isn't spelled out directly that isn't necessarily the case that he says what he means. "He didn't say no polygamy", etc. -
❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:29 JST
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@wgiwf @KnifeEar >...since it isn't spelled out directly that isn't necessarily the case that he says what he means.
It's the same damn argument Liberal "Christians" and gaytheists make all the damn time. It's not a good look if they take a central argument from their claimed enemies.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:30 JST 
KnifeEar
@SuperSnekFriend @wgiwf There is also St. Paul's take:
1 Timothy 3:2
>Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach
1 Timothy 3:12
>Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well
>Galatians 3:28
There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 5:25-27
>Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
1 Corinthians 7:1-7
>Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
>Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
Paul makes it extremely clear that marriage is considered one man for one woman. Only in this case, and in tradition, is the marriage sanctioned. -
❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:30 JST
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@KnifeEar @wgiwf Yes! He is following Christ, who Himself, in that same Matthaean passage with the Pharisees, said:
"Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?'" (Matt. 19:4-5)
If you look at Genesis 2:24, you will notice the specific phrasing "the two" is not there. The Hebrew does not have the word "two", only the plural form of "to be". The Septuagint does, but not all of the LXX' phrasings of OT passages are to be considered inspired. Christ is deliberately allowing this addition by the LXX translators to fully clarify what God meant to be the pattern for all men from the beginning. This also shows that Christ is God as no one but God was allowed to add, remove, or change the Word of God, even a small detail like a single number. Only two, a man and a woman, are set by God to become "one flesh" and no more.
With the sinfulness of man, God regulated heavily unfortunate realities, but "from the beginning, it was not so."
Any claim that an action or lifestyle deviating from God's established patter is "acceptable" is to be tossed and the claimer to be ignored until he repents and learns. -
❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:55 JST
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@wgiwf @KnifeEar The Hebrews would view sex as the act of marriage, hence Paul's warning in 1 Cor. 6:16. It's not the thing that created the marriage bond, but without the act of marital love, the marriage would not be thought of as existing. -
KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:55 JST
KnifeEar
@SuperSnekFriend @wgiwf Right. It is a reference to Deuteronomy 22:24
>If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
I will also use this time to bring up Deuteronomy 24:5:
>"If a man should take a new wife, he shall not go out to war or be charged with any business; he shall be free at home one year and bring happiness to his wife whom he took.
So if they want to play by Hebrew rules, let them. He has to be at that woman's side for a full year. No job. Just make her happy.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:56 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@KnifeEar @SuperSnekFriend Some of them think that just means sex, you screw someone so you're now married—however many times you wish with any number of women, not the union of man and wife in marriage. -
KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:50:57 JST
KnifeEar
@wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend They can not escape Matthew 19:6:
"So then, they are no longer **two** but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" -
Branman65🍟 (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:51:03 JST 
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@wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend @KnifeEar >he didn't say no
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KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 11:51:03 JST
KnifeEar
@branman65 @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend Deuteronomy 17:17
>He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Which is explicitly what happened.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:06:54 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @SuperSnekFriend Well unfortunately there is a history of polygamist cults in these lands, so the issue isn't entirely hypothetical. Dispensationalism and its consequences can't be overstated for the damage it has done, and any other sort of WE WUZ ISRAELITES bs. They to some extent think they are owed the law of the Old Covenant and its supposed "benefits" over what we have.
The fact that you actually have to bring up theology and can't just say, as you say: "it doesn't feel right" is unfortunate.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:13:16 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend We shouldn't have to prosecute all the minutiae of the faith, in most respects what's good, true, and godly is apparent on its face. You feel that when you're in a room together, you can sense truth from one another when you're sitting around a campfire and talking about things of the soul.
But online, that's stripped away. You can't tap into that great magnetic field with your internal compass of conscience, so you end up building up a case to find the truth in plaintext.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:13:55 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend I guess this is just one of those reasons I really hate talking religion online. People rankle when I say you can't convert to anything unless you do so in person, but you just cannot tune into that spiritual wavelength when you're separated by thousands of miles and a screen.
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:14:32 JST 
givenup
@WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend you're mostly right, what point is there having a stance on it, there's not a single person on this website that is ever gonna lead shit. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:14:34 JST
KnifeEar
@givenup @WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend This is the correct stance. Niggers collapse and degrade their local populations by running in on all the baby mamas, and then the next generation has incest with their half siblings because niggers don't move out of town. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:14:35 JST
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@WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend that being said, my stance is "no stop being a nigger" -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:16:37 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@samjayganges @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend The only guys I've ever known to bring it up IRL are those evangelical/baptist/fundamentalist types who were sheltered from the world to an extent, where they're horny out of their minds but only think to phrase it by talking about sex via marriage. Polygamy talk is basically the homeskilled kid daydreaming about the harem of women he'd totally smooch all the time.
I actually could see the ukrainians theoretically having use for it in the next few decades. When ZOG starts importing africans by the millions, they could very well have to stud out their survivors in order to keep the race alive. But that's still quite a ways off.
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samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:16:38 JST 
samjay ganges
@WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf @SuperSnekFriend Polygamy is acceptable when there is a catastrophic collapse in population that threatens extinction for the group. Outside of nuclear war that will never occur in modern times. Regardless, once population numbers stabilize, polygamy should be abolished. -
❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:16:57 JST
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@WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf >I know guys can bring up survival rates, or all kinds of left-brain reasons for having half a dozen wives, but it doesn't feel right, you're stealing from your brothers in the fold, dividing your scant resources even more, and giving your children an inferior quality of life. Nobody wants to grow up with courtly intrigue, one of 30 contenders vying for daddy's attention and love.
Funny you mention this. One of the so-called provisional laws quoted in favor of polygamy is precisely anti-polygamist in its ultimate purpose.
"If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights." (Exod. 21:10)
The Israelite who defied the greater things of God's Law and took on more than one wife could not divvy up what he gave to each woman in a scheme to make his polygamist lifestyle easier. Each woman was to be treated like she was his only wife. How draining would that be! And yes, "marital rights" includes her right to have lovey-dovey sex.
What's that? You married three-plus women with above-average libidos, leaving you tired daily? Sucks to be you but you can't say "no" to one or another temporarily. They all have "rights" to your body. That's how it works. Should have respected God's design from the get-go.
I almost feel sorry for Rudy because the hell he put himself into, if Mushoku Tensei was realistic.
There's a couple of other laws in the Pentateuch that are like this and are meant to discourage the evil behavior and regulate those that are commanded to fully keep the other parts of God's Law within the fubar situation they brought themselves and others into.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:19:42 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@SuperSnekFriend @wgiwf The kids are really what get me. All my life I've talked to boys who had pretty crappy relationships with their fathers, even the ones who looked like they were "great dads" from the outside. Those guys who were successful and hardworking enough to provide for the family ended up spending so little time with their children they were essentially strangers. They never got those real, deep moments of truth and love with their parents, they were more like managers or teachers.
....and guys think they can take THAT bounty of spare quality time to spend with their kids and divide it in half? In thirds? In quarters? Polygamy gives us numbers in theory, but we're better off cherishing high-quality women and producing high quality children with them, as many as we can.
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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:23:13 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @samjayganges @SuperSnekFriend Funnily enough, mormons are quite silent on the matter and push back on charges of polygamy, rightly realizing the shamefulness of it and their history. If you ask them, Joseph Smith only ever had one wife, the rest being "spiritual" in nature. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:23:13 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@wgiwf @samjayganges @SuperSnekFriend IME they've been pretty honest about it, one told me "hey we were colonizing the harsh desert frontiers. Not many girls wanted to make the trip" in so many words.
If anything I disrespect the fact they got rid of it because of the government, as opposed to considering the doctrine.
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KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:26:56 JST
KnifeEar
@WashedOutGundamPilot @SuperSnekFriend @wgiwf That's right. The attention required to give to your wives and their sectioned offspring would be too much. In Islam, they pretty much require the "equal house / equal pay" rule. Even though that religion has a "go" on polygamy, you are foolish to try it in that culture unless you are of the house of Saud. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Mar-2024 12:32:45 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @samjayganges @SuperSnekFriend That's a post-hoc rationalization. The polygamy is what made them go to Utah. They'll acknowledge it, but won't put up a huge defense of it, saying : "that was in the past, we don't do that", and maybe bring up their "oppression" that made them flee. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.
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