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reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:18:13 JST reeeeeelman
@Dullahan @Cocoa @Zergling_man Agreed. TBF I virtually only game online once in a blue moon. So a few more tests to see if maybe some tweaking is in order, and see if I can save myself the cost I think is worth the potential turnoff I might trigger in other people.

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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:18:11 JST
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  @Zergling_man @realman543 @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance Maybe @NEETzsche, he was toying with an idea of TTRPG fedi bots a while ago.
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:18:12 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Cocoa @Dullahan Anyway, this sort of scenario is also why I built @Rance. It is a game that can be played on any ping. When complete, it will be a game for like 8-10 players.
  I have no motivation to complete it because nobody has any interest in what it is currently.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:24:10 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man I honestly think a fedi chess bot would be rad but then I like chess.
  
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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:32:52 JST
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  @Zergling_man @realman543 @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance https://castling.club
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:32:53 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche I'd be amazed if that doesn't already exist.
  One of the projects I have is to eventually extract a board game framework from rancebot so I can reasonably quickly shove stuff live after only implementing game rules.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:37:03 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man OH.
  MY.
  FUCKING.
  GOD.
  
  The absolute madmen did it.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:42:02 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man Does anyone know if casting.club is a fediblocker?
  
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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:42:02 JST
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  @realman543 @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man Skimmed through the code, haven't noticed any blocklists, but even if they block someone on webserver level, it could just be rehosted elsewhere.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:44:43 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche @Rance @Zergling_man Anni at least is blocked at domain level. So they do block. Probably blocked all the naughty word instances just so their game could have wider appeal, but it hasn't even been used since Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:18:35 GMT
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:44:44 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man I am seriously considering it if and when I get my own instance running.
  
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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:49:08 JST
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  @NEETzsche @realman543 @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man Zerg brought up his WIP RPG battle bot which I thought might be of your interest, then the conversation shtfted to game bots in general. The post in question refers to castling.club, a standalone ActivityPub chess game server.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:49:10 JST NEETzsche
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  What are you talking about?
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 21:50:55 JST NEETzsche
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  A lot of the context messages in this thread never federated for me. A chess bot is interesting. RPG bots could be interesting as well, but honestly at this point my interest in TTRPGs is primarily in writing prose for PbP, and using dice bots to simulate, well, dice.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:05:36 JST NEETzsche
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  Checking if a move is legal on a chess board is a surprisingly elaborate process and this may have convinced people to not write an effective chess bot on fedi.
  https://www.chessprogramming.org/Legal_Move
  It's not an impossible task by any stretch, it's just a pain in the ass. Also, if I were to write a chess bot on fedi, I wouldn't just put all of the content in the content field. I'd create some new ActivityPub document types to accommodate a chess game. I'd probably do things like make the a Move object, and make it so that there's from and to field, each an (x,y), then after the fact write a little function to convert that into chess algebraic notation.
  I really would hate to make the bot something that just puts a bunch of human-readable shit into content and leaves devs wanting for some way to manipulate/analyze the game data other than regex hacking the fucking HTML or whatever. That would suck.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:12:35 JST reeeeeelman
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  @Zergling_man @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance Either the bot is busted or the blocks aren't being picked up because I tried putting myself out there for challenges and challenged dcc and neither worked.
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:12:35 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @realman543 @Zergling_man @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche @Rance @mint Go try it again
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:12:36 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=castling.club
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:14:06 JST reeeeeelman
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  @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man Regex is the gayest fucking shit in the whole programming universe. I put it above javashit-barfed-websites.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:14:06 JST NEETzsche
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  I actually love regex. I learned it playing MUDs writing "triggers," which are basically scripts tied to a regex that some MUD clients had. When the client receives text that meets the regex, a script is run, and the regex captures are put into variables like $1 or something like that, depending on the scripting language.
  Really elaborate combat systems were written using these, as global variables were a thing, which essentially automated the strategy game element of games like Aetolia. One such system was one of my first programming projects as a 13yo.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:16:13 JST NEETzsche
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  Calling vidya RPGs "roleplaying games" triggers my autism because you're not usually doing more roleplaying than, say, Duke Nukem 3D. Pressing X on your PlayStation controller for more dialog is not roleplaying. They're more like strategy games which model individuals with much more granularity than, say, RTS, 4X, or "grand strategy" games.
  I'm not going to create a big thing with this it's just a remark I'd like to make.
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:16:14 JST Zergling_man
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  @NEETzsche @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @realman543 RPG (vidya) rather than RPG (tabletop).
  I'm not even sure I'd call Sengoku Rance an RPG but it's not wrong.
  
  In terms of tabletop RPGs my current interest is NWN.
  
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- KushanaFan01 (kf01@breastmilk.club)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:21:50 JST KushanaFan01
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  @NEETzsche @realman543 @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man you're right the only real rpg game is this no pussy button pressing you speak directly to that subuvabetch
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:22:19 JST reeeeeelman
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  @kf01 @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man CALL 👏 PIKACHU 👏 A 👏 NIGGER 👏
  SCREAM 👏 NIGGER 👏 AT 👏 PIKACHU 👏 UNTIL 👏 HE 👏 NEEDS 👏 A 👏 THERAPIST 👏
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:25:34 JST NEETzsche
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  Regex is pretty sweet in certain circumstances but now that I think on it, in the context of processing HTML in a content field, if you're using Regex to scrape out details from JSON or XML or something like that you are doing it wrong. Unless you're writing something that, for whatever reason, needs to process literally thousands of chess moves per second, just take the memory footprint L and use one of those processing libraries that turn your JSON into an associative array or dictionary or whatever your preferred meme languages calls it. It's just not worth the headache.
  Regex shines when you're dealing with MUDs, though. It was perfect for that:
  /^(\w+) slashes your face with (his|her) dirk, dealing you (\d+) damage\.$/
  Which I think is probably the true intended use case of regex, stuff like that.
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:25:35 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche Oh I don't like regex either.
  Nobody WANTS to stick a spike in their face, but you do it to solve the problem of the cyst.
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:25:36 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche Regex is a solution to many problems.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:25:36 JST reeeeeelman
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  @Zergling_man @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance Going to have to disagree completely. I don't want to shit on it because there's no reason to, but I fucking hate it with a passion.
  
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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:26:45 JST
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  @realman543 @kf01 @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man @aceattorneybot render
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:29:24 JST reeeeeelman
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  @mint @kf01 @aceattorneybot @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @Rance @Zergling_man What are we rending the flesh from Pikachu's face as he cries and asks why?
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:53:46 JST reeeeeelman
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  @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man TBF when I gave it that problem I expected it to know the interplay between different classes in a very complex project. A mistake.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:53:47 JST NEETzsche
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  I use AI to generate boilerplate code and then just proofread/fix it. The ways it breaks is usually one or two critical points, like some logic error or something like that. It does improve productivity but it absolutely does not replace the programmer.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:53:48 JST reeeeeelman
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  @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man Also AI generated most programming snippets don't work. I've told this story before once but when I asked it's help with a simple programming problem the AI pooped out a piece of code the required a non-existent class from a non-existent file from a non-existent folder.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:53:49 JST NEETzsche
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  You know, I bet AI-generated regexes don't work at all. Regex is one of the most abstruse elements of programming.
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:53:50 JST Zergling_man
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  @NEETzsche @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @realman543 I use it to solve problems. Like pulling a bunch of images from a website.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 22:54:30 JST NEETzsche
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  Well, the reason it likely won't work for now is the context window is limited. That's the big limiter. For a while, the big limit was based on quantity of training data, but we've reached diminishing returns on adding more training data, and now the output is actually pretty good given whatever limited context it has. So now the big deal is how many tokens you can give it at any given moment. The reading comprehension of modern LLMs is actually very good, but if you only give it two classes and not the whole project, it can only infer so much.
  For example, if you want to automate away the role of GM with something at the reading comprehension of GPT-4, you'd probably need millions of tokens. You'd need enough context to put in the manual and all of the supplements. You'd need it to have a log of all events so far in the game. You'd need it to record past GM rulings to remain internally consistent.
  If you deny the LLM these things in its context window, can you really blame it for not knowing some very important detail from early on in the game, that's just too far back for it to remember? No. You really can't. So the development of these LLMs will mostly be about increasing its limit in this respect.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 23:26:50 JST NEETzsche
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  Personally I'm just waiting for the Russians or Chinese to throw the requisite GPU cycles to make their own English-language LLM that competes with GPT and Gemini etc. That way we'll be dealing with their content management jannying instead of the kind that's pertinent to us here. So instead of not being allowed to say "nigger" we won't be allowed to say that Taiwan is a country or refer to Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a "war"
  
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- Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 23:26:51 JST Senator_Armstrong
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  @NEETzsche @realman543 @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man everyone's already wearing a mask online anyway in anon space so it's tough to distinguish gpt bots from actual retards sometimes if they put on a semi convincing performance and aren't marked as bots.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 23:26:52 JST NEETzsche
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  GPT-4 does open links now but they didn't do it for a while. One thing I notice a lot of people doing is arguing with ChatGPT or trying to abuse it. I ran a bot in my channel a while ago and people did both. They treated it like a person. It was insanity.
  In reality it's just a fucking computer program that can, sometimes, automate the drudgery of writing, somewhat. The output still needs a lot of editing, and always will.
  
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- reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 23:26:53 JST reeeeeelman
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  @NEETzsche @Dullahan @Cocoa @mint @Rance @Zergling_man >but if you only give it two classes and not the whole project, it can only infer so much.
  Actually the entire code is open source and AFAIK they weren't one of the niggers demanding not to have their code scrapped. That said the codebase is ass and incredibly complex which is where I think the issues came in. Also I think it wasn't actually referencing the specific project, it was making inferences based on my prompt and just guessing what would actually work.
  
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- Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 03-Mar-2024 23:26:53 JST Zergling_man
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  @realman543 @Rance @mint @Cocoa @Dullahan @NEETzsche People already demonstrated that the bot doesn't open links. Someone did it with like research papers by Taylor Swift or something and gave links to her publications, and only one of the four the bot actually said was fake even though they all were.
  
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