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>indifferent universe
>find meaning in your legacy and in others
>just bcs
>good is good bcs it's good (circular reasoning)
>no metaphysics
>agnostic answers to agnostic perspective
>wow frieren so deep it made me think about life and wow omg my fedora slipped off and made me scratch my liberalism infested mind for a second
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@irie >nothing metaphysical
>it's all agnostic shit
>no religious meaning at all either
>focus on personal growth
Something tells me this AI gets its data from Reddit.
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@MK2boogaloo Feel free to present counterpoints with evidence and reasons why. For context, the AI refers to the manga only.
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@irie there's one thing that I want to point out, it's not agnostic at all. There's mention of the Goddess, heaven, and the creation all over the manga. The manga just left a time traveling saga because Frieren touched the Goddess' monument.
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@MK2boogaloo Interesting, do these goddesses provide metaphysical reasons why in terms of existence and purpose in the story?
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@irie yes, they provided some understanding of magic and how the humans developed it throughout the years. The aim of the party is the demon king's castle and ultimately heaven, to meet with the hero Himmel who died 30 years ago.
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@MK2boogaloo That's not what I meant. I mean do these goddesses you mentioned, do they provide answers and justifications to the questions of existence treated in the anime? If not, they are not thematically relevant and it remains an agnostic perspective with agnostic answers.
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@irie I don't know about the anime but they do talk about it in the manga.
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@MK2boogaloo for example, this would be one hint to the question. This is picture book agnosticism. In short, it doesn't matter how many goddesses and gods appear in the anime, or how much magic is thrown around, metaphysics imply justifications beyond the physical. Magic and goddesses are not relevant to this if they don't provide metaphysical justifications.
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@irie isn't time traveling enough to be a proof of its existence?
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@MK2boogaloo no time travel does not provide metaphysics unless it explicitly makes a statement about existence beyond the physical. The gist of Frieren's metaphysics seems to have been captured well by ChatGPT (nonexistent agnostic trash) unless some erudite viewer/reader of the anime or manga can prove otherwise
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@irie time travel is something beyond physical though, since only the soul gets transported in this case. Try to read chapter 107-116.
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@MK2boogaloo just like magic, or the appearance of goddesses, but does it provide metaphysical justifications? If not, then it doesn't concern the thematic narrative of the story but is mere genre
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@irie it adds to the narrative for sure, I need to reread it to get some metaphysical understanding though since it's been a long time since I've read it. Maybe I'm biased because I love it, but if I were you I won't trust ChatGPT.
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@MK2boogaloo don't worry I don't trust gpt blindly. I have it admit its mistakes in almost every session. But the summary it provided in terms of the story's treatment of its theme re existence seems to be accurate. Unless someone who understands both story and the meaning of these words can prove otherwise.
As it stands Sousou no Frieren seems to be an agnostic proposition to a life without meaning. I can see why this reverberates with millions of young people around the world as they've never been given any coherent answers to the questions of existence.
But the answers in Frieren aren't coherent either, they are circular in reasoning and avoid any commitments to higher truths. In the end they remain a lukewarm exercise in feel good nonsense that can only further frustrate the genuine searchers.
At the end of this road only Christ remains as the absolute and true answer. Sousou no Frieren denies Christ and tells people to stop looking a long distance away from him.
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@Zettour @MK2boogaloo then the questions whether heaven exists, the question of afterlife, was answered in the story?
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@irie @MK2boogaloo If heaven was the country next to yours and you could walk to and talk to your dead uncle and God then metaphysics becomes irrelevant to any possible question. The goddess of creation exists and coexisted with humans in a historically documented way in that universe so saying it is agnostic is silly. AI will tell you whatever it thinks you want to hear so your initial prompt is very poorly devised as well, you led it preconceive agnosticism as the desired result.
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@meso you are free to provide arguments if this doesn't overload your porn-fried chimpanzee brain
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@irie this nigga gets his philosophical opinions from an overengineered markov chain 💀
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@Zettour @MK2boogaloo coming back to your reply. The very notion that "metaphysics become irrelevant" is exactly my claim about Frieren. It has no metaphysics. It is agnostic.
Metaphysics are moral justifications beyond the physical. The existence of a place called heaven, of magic, or time travel do not provide metaphysics by itself.
One moment in the anime where metaphysics could have been introduced was Frieren's dialogue with the Monk Kraft, but Frieren denied the faith in such gods or living life a certain way bcs of gods. The anime's thematic treatment of life remains agnostic.
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