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1. Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:19 JST Hyolobrika

   • Taylan Kammer
   You mean @taylankammer.bsky.social?
   
   BTW, have you heard of Nostr?
   BSky is pretty centralised, I've heard.
   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:13 JST Hyolobrika

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     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     BTW, here's a PDF someone sent me (haven't read yet)
     https://bsky.social/about/bluesky-and-the-at-protocol-usable-decentralized-social-media-martin-kleppmann.pdf
   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:14 JST Hyolobrika

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     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     Where did they say that?
   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:15 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net BlueSky team previously discussed only allowing "trusted" entities to operate relays for the network or something. They had been referring to these in their earlier papers as "trusted nodes" instead of "relays" and heavily suggested that it would be like an invite-only thing.

   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:16 JST Hyolobrika

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     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     How are the relays controlled?
   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:17 JST Hyolobrika

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     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     What I heard was that there can be third-party "PDSs" but the identity layer (did:plc) is centralised.
     https://bsky.social/about/blog/5-5-2023-federation-architecture
   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:17 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net The identity layer is centralized and the relays are controlled. There are currently not PDSs available, afaIk, nor any infrastructure available for any/to facilitate any. I.e., these implementations are still a WIP or hypothetical facet of the theoretical system at scale.

   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:18 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net BlueSky isn't "pretty centralized", it's just centralized, straight-up. There are no other servers, there is only the BlueSky server. There is not even server software or code or documentation yet available for people to theoretically create their own server and federate. The "decentralization" claims come with a bunch of asterisks that should say: hypothetically one day maybe we'll think about it

   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:44:42 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net Oh, this is a cool document. Thanks for sharing it. I'm really interested in SSB as an alternative to things like the Fediverse. The Fediverse, in my opinion, has the best model for a decentralized, federated network from a client-server-client standpoint. The next frontier would be directly peer-to-peer, and SSB, while imperfect, has the best idea therein.