Aral Balkan
Israel—a terrorist state committing genocide in Palestine backed by the US, Canada, and the UK—has just destroyed the office building of the Belgian Agency for Development Cooperation in Gaza as retaliation a day after Belgium announced it would continue to fund the vital humanitarian work of #UNRWA.
Belgium is a member of the EU and NATO.
https://partyon.xyz/@nullagent/111859218913958892
#israel #gaza #palestine #genocide #ethnicCleansing #warCrimes #enabel #belgium #eu #nato #unrwa #un
Aral Balkan
@speaker_hat Go away, bot.
speaker_hat
@aral
"Israel—a terrorist state committing genocide in Palestine"
There are so many wrong things written here:
1. By definition, Israel is not a terrorist state.
2. Israel is not committing a genocide. Israel goal is to take down Hamas. Unfortunately there are so many Palestinians linked to the Hamas. Look at the West Bank, for example, there are also Palestinians, and Israel don't attack there. Also, there are 20% Arabs with Palestinian origins within Israel which Israel also don't attack.
David Koff (he/him)
@aral Aral Balkan-a programmer who isn’t Jewish, hasn’t been to #israel or #gaza, and doesn’t understand the definition of genocide-has just destroyed his reputation by calling #israel - and not #iran or #hamas - a #terrorist and genocidal state.
It’s a bad look.
For those of who stoop to his level and engage in this rubbish, remember: you can hate #biden as much as you like, but if you help Trump get elected, whatever hope you have for a #palestinian state dies.
Aral Balkan
@thetechtutor It’s not going to work, David. You’re not going to silence us from speaking out on behalf of the Palestinian people as Israel commits genocide.
I hope one day you will rediscover your humanity. Sadly, the Palestinian children being butchered in their thousands and the millions facing a manufactured famine cannot wait for that.
jburd
Your screenshot doesn't include the whole definition. I included the clause most applicable above. Which Israeli leaders are open about committing.
jburd
You clearly have no understanding of the meaning of genocide under international law.
David Koff (he/him)
@jbburd @aral Bold AND arrogant? Nice. I refer you back to the screenshot with the actual definition in my post.
jburd
"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;"
David Koff (he/him)
@jbburd @aral exactly. Which is not what Israel is doing. If they were, #gaza would’ve been annihilated on the 1st day of the retaliation. Nor would #israel have warned Gazans to evacuate.
It’s worth remembering: there was a cease-fire until #Hamas, an organization that explicitly states that it’s genocidal, massacred over 1200 Israelis and took over 200 hostages.
Targeted Military retaliation doesn’t = genocide no matter how folks insist it does.
David Koff (he/him)
Some sure are, 100% agreed. And those folks are despicable humans, but mostly #Netanyahu who's a fucking thug and a more successful Trump than Trump ever was.
Both those folks are loathed by a massive majority of Israelis. Most simply want peace and have for 75+ years.
Aral Balkan
@thetechtutor @jbburd So it’s not genocide because they aren’t carrying it out swiftly enough for your taste? May I remind you that it took Nazi Germany six years to carry out the mass killings of the Holocaust? (And a further five to set up the infrastructure to do so, including the concentration camps.)
Israel has had decades to set up the infrastructure. Gaza is a concentration camp. Israel is carrying out genocide. And I am sickened by your apologism.
Aral Balkan
@thetechtutor Would you say Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide, knows what genocide is, David?
Dwalin
Aral Balkan
@Dwalin @thetechtutor You’re funny. I mean terrifying. But also funny.
Petra van Cronenburg
@aral I've remained silent on the subject until now and can live with contrary opinions. I was happy to follow you. But now you've crossed a red line. By trivialising the Holocaust with an utterly impossible comparison. I'm not debating that, just wishing you goodbye. I can't stand it. @thetechtutor
Aral Balkan
@NatureMC Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
RD
@nicholas_saunders @thetechtutor @aral
My moral standards do not recognize the right of the state of Israel - or any other state - to exist in the first place.
nicholas_saunders
@RD4Anarchy @thetechtutor @aral so absolutely no response as to what military action following the #alaqsaflood operation would've been either legal or moral, then.
RD
@nicholas_saunders @thetechtutor @aral
>>...you don't specify what military action would've been legal following the #AlAqsaFlood operation.<<
My criticisms of Israel are not based on rule of law.
Focusing specifically on a hypothetical response to that particular event alone ignores the long history of Israel's occupation, oppression, apartheid, and its part in creating Hamas in the first place.
As someone who is not a military planner I'm not sure what the point would be of my speculation. But I do insist that Israel should not be killing children and other innocent people.
I may not have all the military-grade answers on how to defend against terrorists without killing kids but I'm pretty sure that dropping 2,000 lb dumb bombs in crowded civilian neighborhoods (for example) does not show genuine intent to limit civilian casualties. I've also watched videos of Palestinians with white flags, even following IDF instructions, being shot down in cold blood for no legitimate reason. I might suggest that's another thing that should stop.
nicholas_saunders
@RD4Anarchy @thetechtutor @aral
Where you write that "focusing specifically on a hypothetical response to that particular event alone ignores the long history of Israel's occupation...," you've both dodged the moral question of:
What military action following the #AlAqsaFlood would've met with your personally high moral standards?
As well as setting the context as not just as Arafat has sought, but what now South Africa would seek.
RD
You clearly do support the murder of innocents and children when you defend the state of Israel's genocidal actions. Your objection that these actions are not intentionally genocidal is absurd as so many of Israel's ruling elite have spoken plainly about those intentions, and the tactics being used by Israel are obviously genocidal both in intent and results.
You have to hide behind spurious accusations rather than face the truth of what Israel is doing. You leave yourself in the ridiculous position of having to believe that anyone who thinks genocide is occurring in Gaza is anti-Semitic and a supporter of jihad. You probably don't even buy this lie yourself but you still feel compelled to use it because you really have nothing else to support your genocide denial.
nicholas_saunders
@RD4Anarchy @thetechtutor @aral
Where you write "...face the truth of what Israel is doing," you don't specify what military action would've been legal following the #AlAqsaFlood operation.
RD
Meanwhile you're doing a very good job of establishing your reputation as a Zionist troll and genocide apologist.
David Koff (he/him)
@RD4Anarchy @aral Ha! Thank you, yes. I *clearly* support killing innocents because I disagree with your language. Right.
Hey, listen: have fun supporting #iran, #hamas, #hezbollah and radical Islamic #jihad in the name of “supporting” #palestinians.
They deserve a homeland but don’t deserve you.
RD
@nicholas_saunders @thetechtutor @aral
There is no point to this unless you're trying to say that the state of Israel could not have done even a single thing differently, it was what we're seeing now or nothing, and obviously that's nonsense.
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