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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:32 JST Moon
   a big reason why suggesting alternatives is a problem is a lot of people aren't looking for alternatives they just want to complain. suggesting that they use agency makes them feel bad because they know they're doing nothing.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:29 JST Moon

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     @clacke the context of my subtoot was someone complaining about getting bad recommendations to use libre software, yeah. I got turned off because there was also an implied "this turns me off of all open source software". I was trying to explore how in some cases, the recommendation is born out of an earlier annoyance with a person not doing the minimum to help themself. Basically just "you aren't just annoyed by us, we are also annoyed by you"
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:29 JST Moon

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     • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
     @clacke I am actually in the middle. I remember when Linux stuff was way more hostile. I went into the Debian IRC in the late 90s and asked for help setting up Xinerama and someone berated me "why do you even want dual monitors?". It's 2024 and I've never gone back in a Debian IRC channel because of that prick.
   • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:30 JST a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     The classic of course is the ubiquitous Stack Overflow Q&"A" that goes:

     "I'm trying to do X, is there a way to make Y do it?"
     "Why on Earth would you want to do X?"

     On the other hand even that one can be warranted, as people have a bad pattern of looking for solutions to their incidental problem at hand rather than stepping back and looking at reaching their actual goal.

     On the other other hand, the above happens even when people show their work and explain the circumstances that make their problem essential to the goal.

   • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:31 JST a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Moon Venting to a sympathetic ear is an important part of coping with life. We're all at capacity and investing energy in one thing means deprioritizing something else.

     On the internet it's hard to know if someone wants solutions or sympathy or something in between, and people make honest mistakes, but when someone posts "not looking for solutions, but am I unreasonable for thinking X should have an option to Y" and people respond "just use Z", that is nothing other than obnoxious.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:51 JST Moon

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     "just use linux" sometimes isn't a real suggestion it's a way of jabbing someone that keeps complaining, so yeah it makes things worse.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:52 JST Moon

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     the only reason I'm bringing this up is to suggest that there are other toxic attitudes beside annoying people by suggesting inadequate free software.
     Machismo repeated this.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:57 JST Moon

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     @clacke I'm making a point.
     
     It's unreasonable that a jerk now means I avoid Debian support channels forever. that's a me problem not a them problem.
     
     That's analogous to someone saying they might not use free software if they get annoyed by a free software enthusiast.
   • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:51:58 JST a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Moon ... but why don't you just
     Machismo repeated this.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jan-2024 14:52:14 JST Machismo

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     @Moon They could solve this by using agency.