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william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:39:27 JST william.maggos
I like what @John said about #NASgate on yesterday's show. The second wave of people who joined NAS fucked up the whole thing and a little moderation is all that was needed. Makes me wonder if we couldn't boot up https://noagenda.social with mods and just some clarity that it's run by Dvorak, removing @adam from any responsibility. @eriner should have the domain. without moderation, NAS2 is just gonna be a shit show too. with moderation, it might get to federate widely.
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2. 1627 - "White Ringer" - No Agenda
  
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  A show about politics with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak
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- Adam Clark Curry (adam@psyopshop.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:39:26 JST Adam Clark Curry
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  The fediverse is retarded. Just look at the blocks on podcastindex.social where only 200 people or so discuss podcasting 2.0
  Just following or federating with the 'wrong' instance gets you blocked
  https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=podcastindex.social
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:44:54 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @adam @wjmaggos @John @eriner I think it's going to be great. NA.S (I think that's what the cool kids say) is now their own place, @Darren has his own place which is cool, and the fediverse as a whole is a little bigger. I was originally of the mind that the whole thing seemed unreasonable but in retrospect it might be even better. I don't agree with the idea that NAS needed censors going around bonking wrongthinkers, but I think the outcome is a net positive for the fediverse.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:46:19 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @adam @Darren @John @eriner @wjmaggos I also agree with you that the blocklists and all that are terrible for federation.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:47:39 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Darren @wjmaggos @John @eriner @adam tbh I have rarely visited the local timeline on any of the instances I ran or here. I follow people that make my home timeline interesting, and if they stop doing that I drop them :shrug:
  
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- Darren (darren@planetrage.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 06:47:40 JST Darren
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  @thatguyoverthere @adam @wjmaggos @John @eriner The biggest change is now you have to follow everyone and not rely on the "I'll see them on the instance feed." But, it's a small price to pay.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:01:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @wjmaggos @eriner @John @Darren @adam you realize most of the reason people do stuff like that is because it gets a reaction right? People make themselves way to easy to troll sometimes. It's easy enough to mute and move on if something really gets under your skin. Maybe the reason I think this way is because my first interactions with the fediverse were as an admin of my own instance[s]. I am of the mind that users have all the controls they need to curate the content of their feeds to their liking. It is on admins and mods to help people find those tools and learn how to use them I suppose, but I would rather have control of what I see personally and I don't understand the idea of NOT having that while also often complaining about x (formerly known as birdsite) at the same time. Also, blocking is done for much more trivial things. Like adam pointed out even just NOT blocking the servers on a list someone else came up with can get you blocked which is kind of beyond censorship really. Fediblock has become an opinion filter and nothing more.
  
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- william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:01:35 JST william.maggos
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  cause you're on dark fedi. you're fine with people jumping into other people's convos to say die nword (or at least won't moderate for that). most are not. it's reasonable to not want to federate with servers that have users that will do that to their users, given the chance. but what Adam says about there being too much censorship is also true. we need a middle ground (free speech but no assholes) and I dream of NAS3 I guess making that case.
  
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- ≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:05:37 JST ≠ Brett Stevens ≠
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  Once you set up any censorship, the ideological types take over and the censorship expands.
  
  This is the lesson of the past two decades.
  
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- ≠ Brett Stevens ≠ (amerika@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:09:01 JST ≠ Brett Stevens ≠
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  If people did not freak out in response, the trolls would go away.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:09:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @amerika @wjmaggos @John @eriner @Darren @adam > Here is a list of words you must never say around me
  
  ngmi
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:13:54 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Sirpantangelini @wjmaggos @eriner @John @Darren @adam > asking someone to define fascism is LITERALLY fascism
  
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- Sir Pantangelini (sirpantangelini@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:13:55 JST Sir Pantangelini
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  Who the hell is saying that?
  Honestly, tag me next time. I just need to actually see it.
  And the midwit-verse is retarded compared to the 'dark-fedi'
  I went there today and cause an uproar for asking someone to define fascism.
  We need more dark-fedi instances.
  @thatguyoverthere @eriner @John @Darren @adam
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:16:40 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @thatguyoverthere @wjmaggos @John @Sirpantangelini @eriner @Darren @adam Fascism you say....
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- Black Knight of the Mothman (boo_burymothman@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:19:54 JST Black Knight of the Mothman
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  lol do you access dark fedi like the dark web?
  
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- Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:23:04 JST Leyonhjelm
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  I think the cultural ship sailed a long time ago for making NAS something @adam and @John would find brand-acceptable. The blessing and curse of internet social sites regardless of the format is that the only two options are “squash wrongposting” and “people post what they actual think”. I cannot imagine what possible other outcome they could have expected from an audience of a podcast that makes questioning the official narrative its entire raison d’etre. You’re going to get everything from “Big Pharma is evil” to “Hitler did nothing wrong” with that audience. To expect them to to only question the “right” things is silly.
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- Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:23:11 JST Leyonhjelm
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  Relying on the instance feed is always retarded. If you don’t want to curate your experience yourself, you’re just asking for stress and frustration at some point if not immediately. The NA community is no different from others in that respect.
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:35:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @wjmaggos @eriner @John @Darren @adam I hope people don't think blocking actually prevents people from popping around it easily enough to see what they are saying. That'd be silly. Expecting to live in a world where nothing offensive ever occurs is also kind of silly. I don't know I think people take socials way too seriously sometimes.
  
  > unable to consider the experience of others
  
  I'm saying that their experience is personally customizable to their tastes. I don't know how that's not considering their experience.
  
  > servers full of harassers
  
  There is no reason for spinster to be as hated as they are. For a while (perhas still) they were one of the most blocked instances around. You can't even use certain software to log in to spinster because they are so bad apparently.
  
  Also bear in mind I am saying I think the move is ultimately a net win for everyone (including the show). I also never saw the NAS public timeline because I'm not an NAS user. Like I mentioned further up I follow people that make my timeline interesting and don't follow people who annoy me. I don't accept every opinion of every person I follow (Amerika would send me to africa) but when you don't react like a fool to silly trolls you can have interesting conversations with people you disagree with.
  
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- william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:35:39 JST william.maggos
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  all the people who say just mute them are basically anonymous, don't post anything personal or take lefty stances. Adam has no choice but to be public. He doesn't want to hide. So he got tired of this shit. Imagine if he wasn't becoming religious but transitioning. You guys all seem to be unable to consider the experiences of others. I'm against too much fediblocking but servers that federate with servers full of harassers will not be popular.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:49:47 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hyolobrika @wjmaggos @John @eriner @Darren @adam I don't use it often enough to say one way or another I guess, but when I've used it things quieted down, or at least so it seemed.
  
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- Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:49:52 JST Hyolobrika
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  >It's easy enough to mute and move on if something really gets under your skin
  It's not though. Muting is really buggy, at least on Soapbox. People's posts still show up if you go to the thread they're in.
  
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  @Hyolobrika @Darren @John @adam @eriner @wjmaggos I also get the impression that most of the instances quick to block whole servers are running mastodon not pleroma or soapbox which are considered racist or bigot software or something.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:52:02 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Hyolobrika @wjmaggos @John @eriner @Darren @adam what do you mean morals and aesthetics are moderated?
  
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- Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:52:07 JST Hyolobrika
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  >we need a middle ground (free speech but no assholes)
  But "no assholes" is a restriction on speech. So what does "free speech" mean in that case?
  I think the solution is the fact-value gap: all "is" beliefs are allowed but morals (or lack thereof) and aesthetics are moderated.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:59:47 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  > humans get power by working together.
  
  Also known as fascism. The fasces was a strong weapon compared to it's weak constituant twigs. Ironically this is also where the word faggot seems to come from.
  
  https://sci.lang.narkive.com/uemkoF4m/did-the-word-faggot-come-from-the-word-fasces-is-it-related-to-fascist-fascism
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    Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? Is it related to fascist & fascism?
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- william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 07:59:48 JST william.maggos
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  humans get power by working together. to define your group by something you can choose to be part of or not, is quite different than one assigned at birth. it's still not great when you're creating an other, but lefty approaches do tend to allow groups like owners to give up their wealth and join the worker movement. and I'm a big believer in liberal democracy, not these systems that tend toward tyranny.
  
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- Adam Clark Curry (adam@psyopshop.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 08:05:14 JST Adam Clark Curry
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  bigotware.com
  Fixed it
  
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- Adam Clark Curry (adam@psyopshop.com)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 08:05:15 JST Adam Clark Curry
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  New category: bigotware.
  Love it.
  
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- Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 08:36:10 JST Hyolobrika
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  You can be banned for saying Hitler did nothing wrong but not for saying the Holocaust never happened, for instance.
  
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- Wyliesau (wyliesau@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 23-Jan-2024 09:06:05 JST Wyliesau
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  @adam @thatguyoverthere @wjmaggos @eriner @John @Darren @Hyolobrika
  What would the world look like if we didn’t have first world problems of epic proportions like this one?
  How boring would it be?
  John couldn’t block no one Adam couldn’t complain about PNS memes, Phoneboy would not have a freakout, Eriner could finally chop wood again….
  ….oh boy would life be boring AF.
  And at the end of the day any of our devices has a on/off switch.
  Thanks and good night
  
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