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Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:36:35 JST 
Starrlicher
> Seriously, all the jewish stuff I can think of is junk or someone else does better;
>tavor - the aug is better and bullpups kinda suck anyways
>uzi - the mack11 and variants are better and easier/cheaper to produce
>desert eagle - a hand cannon that uses a m16 type bolt, you'd be better off with a 44mag revolver or some kind of wildcat cartridge on another platform
>galil - it's a heavy ass ak in 5.56, you're better off with either AK variant OR an m4/m16
This is the most based gun post I have ever seen on fedi- Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:40:52 JST 
GabeLakmann
Yeah - so they can say they need more weapons and get the USA to buy them better shit than the trash they "invented."
Wonder what we send them. They already have a bunch of our older but still perfectly useful m16s and m4s. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:40:52 JST 
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @RedKaiser @Lover @RadixVerum Hey I’ll have you know boomers bend over backwards cloning those wonderful hero arms
https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/IDF-Clone-and-ITW-Pic-Thread/118-752393/
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RedKaiser (redkaiser@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:40:54 JST 
RedKaiser
@GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum Not off the top of my head.
But there’s a reason those kikes in Israel sent all their dusty rusted ass bullpups to Ukraine. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:40:55 JST
GabeLakmann
Haha, thanks.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:42:20 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @RedKaiser @Lover @RadixVerum “WOW GREASY DIRTBAGS USING SHIT I THREW AWAY IN 2004 FOR BEING OUTDATED I NEED TO GUY BUY IT ALL ANEW”
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:44:20 JST
GabeLakmann
it makes me fucking SICK that people want to clone IDF trash.
I hate arfcom because of shit like that and they'll also ban if you even hint at anything "anti-semitic" even if it is true and you're not being obviously inflammatory about it.
The neo-con type gun cucks piss me off so bad.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:45:49 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser That thread peters out but they’re dying to get their hands on “surplus” IDF web gear fit for the trash bin.
I’ve surfed there since I was a kid, so I’ve gotten to see the zeitgeist change flavors over and over again. I get you the same guys paying $350 for a worn out sling were the ones paying $60 for “glacier guards” to replace their stock colt handguards with
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:46:15 JST
GabeLakmann
israeli optics are absolute trash too. It's hilarious hearing boomers and other retards complain about the junk ass meprolights and stuff.
Last I heard HK will not sell arms to them which is pretty cool.
FREE PALESTINE! I HOPE JEWS ARE PUSHED INTO THE SEA BY PALESTINIANS!Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:53:33 JST
Starrlicher
I can’t believe people gone are those glory days along with the $500 wasr Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:53:34 JST 
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
It's the same fucking idiots driving prices of a $250 sks to $700 -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:53:34 JST
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
I used to buy these in a barrel by the door for $50-$75 they were even bareable at $150. But 400-500 drug addicts Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:57:01 JST
GabeLakmann
I barely remember when mosins were $150-200 and SKS's were $200 or so. Someone tried to sell me an SKS for $500 or $600 I think and I laughed.
They're simple not worth it.
I've only seen and used ONE mosin that I'd ever want and it was a Finnish one that they had accurized. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:57:01 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I spent so long just DYING because I was constantly looking at stuff I couldn’t buy. So many good deals just gone, because I wasn’t old enough to buy them or didn’t have the money.
I was always in tune to the trends, so when I used to see “old” stuff like non-quad railed ARs tossed in the pawn shop pile I’d die knowing I’d never see them that cheap again. Thanks to youtube and instagram everyone knows what’s cool, so the days of “eww….who wants that? So old fashioned, what’re you gonna do with a revolver?” are long in the rearview.
I remember shitty K98’s going for $120 because “russian captures are dogshit”, I remember $800 lugers because they weren’t parts matched, Remember $500 CMP garands from WWII lots, Buy1-get-1 Mosins for $100, and Colt sporters for a princely sum of $600
Once I got money I tried to do what I could but you can’t snag ‘em all
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:57:21 JST
GabeLakmann
Those were a deal at that price. They're still probably one of the better buys for AKs at $750-$800 or so. -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 09:57:21 JST
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
Lol the century arms wasr 10 was $249.99 every Christmas with the $50 coupon at Dunhams growing up. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:02:28 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I love those BF threads. It was a good feeling not seeing anything in his shitlist in my safe already
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:02:29 JST
GabeLakmann
I bet those were the first batches of WASRs in the late 90s/early 2000s or so right?
They had fitment issues and canted sights but worked well for the most part.
The newer ones run just as good as anything else. AKOU has one with 10,000+ rounds that still shoots like 1-2moa and battlefield vegas uses them too I think. -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:03:29 JST
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
I bought a match grade m1 from cmp 20 years ago for $700, still have it Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:04:45 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I tell friends to just ignore all that shit and start asking friends, family, and neighbors if anyone has a Garand “they don’t shoot much anymore”. When someone tells you he nabbed one back in the day, play up how freakin expensive ammo is and you’re off to the races.
Next best thing. Granted, CMP is shipping sweet Harringtons from the korean war era last I heard. They’re gorgeous, arguably better than WWII but you lose the green park. Less sexy
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:04:56 JST
GabeLakmann
I need to go find those threads again because I lost the bookmarks.
I don't think I had anything on their shit list either.
There was A LOT of great information in those threads. In fact, I'd say they're about the best thing going right now if you want first hand info on what to buy and when to start expecting failures/breakage/etc.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:06:57 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range/118-677135/
His name is HendersonDefense. should have more. I think I archived them once but IDK where
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Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies (rupertvonripp@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:07:53 JST 
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser How much cosmoline do you have to dig through with CMP? -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:07:53 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@RupertvonRipp @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Depends on the grade. I think specials are relatively bare, they’re parts guns. The ones that take a LOT of work are the “correct” grade and whatever else is original. They’re taken right out of the 50’s crates that they got packed in years ago. I don’t think I’ve ever held one totally clean yet
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:11:53 JST
GabeLakmann
cool! I didn't know that. You could always have them parkerized though... but would you with something like that?
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:11:53 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser No way. It’s just a diff. charm. Ideally you’ll buy both. H&R’s are this lovely dark tone, partly from the cosmo but I think the wood is a little diff since they had more time to age it back then. I think they’ll be appreciated more by our kids.
Today most see them as the lesser simply because they’re not WWII but to me they’re the peak, they’re not rushed, they’re clean, and they just have the faint air of a civilian hunting rifle.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:13:09 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @RupertvonRipp I just use a heat gun and spend time outside. I hate leaving the oven door open and grilling it, but heat is the best way to bring it to the surface. Otherwise it’s a sponge, it’s embedded in the wood and you’ll always feel nasty to the touch.
Just a roll of shit paper towels, a heat gun, a drink, and some sawhorses and you got yourself a saturday outside
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:13:10 JST
GabeLakmann
That makes sense. If they've been messed with in the arsenal to bring up to spec of whatever then they'd likely have less cosmoline.
I used boiling water to get rid of it and some other cleaning stuff.
If you have a heated pressure washer then that is probably the way to clean metal stuff, although it probably isn't a great idea to use it on wood. At least with any pressure anyways. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:26:33 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser FWIW you’ll probably never see one like that. The few that were brought back were always reconditioned and factory overhauled to get rid of any real character. It’s ironic, because collectors hate them for being “non-original” when they see a mishmash of barrel, bolt, trigger dates and drawing numbers but there’s a higher chance it saw actual service.
Anything correct likely stayed in the states all along. In war’s end they just tossed everything in a pile and MAYBE brought them back, then left some poor guy to look at whatever needed changing and disassemble them
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:26:34 JST
GabeLakmann
They're both nice and while it'd be cool to have a WW2 garand, I'd still be super happy with a Korean era garand and, to be honest, I'd almost prefer if it didn't have any notches in the stock or anything. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:34:15 JST 
Boomerman
@WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Jesus apparently this was in the pacific. All those boys in europe got the fany fucking new garands these fucks had to use their granpappies rifle from the first war. That would fucking suck in the pacific. They really were just getting white men killed Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:38:27 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Yeah, Marines didn’t get the M1 garand until about ‘43.
It’s been a while for me, but as I recall it’s a combo of institutional momentum and the marines saw themselves as RIFLEMAN. They didn’t trust a semi for duty, they saw it as an army project and preferred the “trustworthy” bolt action instead. Not to mention the 1903A1 is a damn slick gun, in more than a few ways handier than the M1. You lack firepower, but it’s lighter, and the sighting system was exactly what the USMC loved. IIRC the lack of weight up front was preferred because it made bayonet combat easier too.
Keep in mind the target shooting/competition mindset informed a LOT of combat arms back then. That lasted all the way ‘til the 90’s, even, with many of the additions to the M16A2 being more or less built around killing it at the qualification range.
That’s why they like to talk about how the marines would squirrel away M1’s whenever they could, until they achieved widespread issue in the middle of the war.
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:43:36 JST
GabeLakmann
They don't talk about the pacific near as much. I hate that the European theater was mostly White men killing White men.
I think maybe part of them getting old/shitty gear could be due to it mostly being Marines in the pacific though?
They always have a small budget (since they're part of the Navy) from what I understand and I bet it was true even back then. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:43:36 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Boomerman @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser And the Corps wasn’t necessarily using old shitty 1903s. I don’t think any of the original Mark Is even survived in government service at that time. They had a cost-reduced, simplified A3 spec they issued to churn them out even faster.
There were real problems with the Garand when it first came out, the gas system had to be completely redesigned (Gas trap to plug, now super rare), so the marines were still somewhat in the right to just equip the boys with a known quantity. Since most of the ‘03s left over from WWI (which I doubt were all that many, and after the depression they likely hadn’t ordered too many) were quickly issued for training back home, most of these GI’s got the improved, latest & greatest A3.
Has better combat-worthy sights, longer sight radius, more wood to protect the hands in bayonet work, and a MUCH better stock shape with a pistol grip for added security.
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:43:46 JST
Boomerman
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot Apparently a good chunk of the forces there were aussie militia men. That maybe why so many of them have old shit. Apparently macarthur also fucked up and didnt supply it very well. The kikes dont talk about the pacific because muh holocaust is the point youre supposed to get. Also that theatre was about as shit of a war as you could fight and we fucking dominated japan. Reminding whitey that he can fuck up whoever he wants when he feels like it isba cat they need to keep in the bag. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:43:56 JST
Boomerman
@johnbudd1350 @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Weight
Cost
Ease of maintenance for end user
Reliability
Accuracy
Roughly in that orderWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
jollybudd1350 🎄 :njp: 🎄 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:44:00 JST 
jollybudd1350 🎄 :njp: 🎄
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser If marksmanship at the range isn't a good metric for a military service rifle, then what is? (I'm very ignorant on guns just fyi) -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:45:44 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser It’s not retarded though. That’s just the modern fetish for individual rifleman power talking. Even today, with all this vaunted rifleman firepower, it’s still the MG making the kills, isn’t it?
Everyone issued bolts back then. I haven’t read my gun library for a while but I think they were surprised that changing over to the M1 really didn’t change things as much as they thought, other than burning through a LOT more ammo.
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:45:45 JST
Boomerman
@WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser 1903 is very nice but the gooks had whole mountain sides with MG nests. Not the ideal rifle for such a task. The marines have always been retarded. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:48:55 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@johnbudd1350 @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Some of it’s good, but the first generation of the 1903 was very silly. It’s got a ton of tiny, milled knobs to adjust windage in all these directions, which is wonderful at peacetime, but not at all robust enough for extended combat, nor is it suited for being made quickly.
In war, most of these peacetime designs saw lots of simplifications as engineers broke each operation down to its elements and cut time wherever they could. Compare the first one to the second. The latter is protected and simplified, not to mention mounted about a foot further back, so the longer sight radius enhances accuracy even more looking through the peep
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:49:34 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Lover @mmmfeet @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser I don’t think it was all THAT widespread though. Americans weren’t savage at heart.
We pretend it’s common today, but it made its way onto the cover of Time magazine because it was a macabre outlier
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Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:49:35 JST
Starrlicher
Yeah there were stories of guys sending jap skulls back to their sweet hearts lol. Probably the biggest racial conflict America was ever involved in aside from the Indian wars. -
mmmfeet (mmmfeet@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:49:36 JST 
mmmfeet
@Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot Libtards boasting proudly about their grabdpas being the first ANTIFA, meanwhile the pacific theater was a literal race war between Whites and Japanese that reached subhuman levels of depravity unseen in Europe. Many marines would collect the ears of defeated japs. Meanwhile, captured German prisoners were treated more fondly by White american soldiers than the black servicemen were -
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies (rupertvonripp@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:52:23 JST
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Bolts for the common grunt make more sense tbh- conserve ammo. The role of the grunt is to make advanced, hold terrain in a broad sense, push the lines as part of a mass- bolts do this just fine.
MGs for fire-lanes and to create killing fields.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:52:23 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@RupertvonRipp @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Conserve Ammo is absolutely vital for the marines, too. They’re dependent on easy target transport ships, and more than a few times ended up stranded when a jap sub sunk their supply. Once they established a bigger comfort margin in ensuring their logistics worked, and the M1 secured a track record of success after a year or two of hard use, then they made the switch.
Everything’s a tradeoff. I certainly wouldn’t want a Gas trap garand in 1942, in the pacific. Then you have nothing when it corrodes to shit after a month
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ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:53:35 JST 
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Selfish detour, but I have a WW2 1903 and she's sporterized to hell and back.
If anyone knows good, non-fuddfucker links to help bring it back it'd be here. Be doing the world a service and can post progress if interested. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:53:35 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I just use ebay for old stuff if you want original surplus. New manufacture stuff from sarco or the CMP is actually pretty nice. New production stocks feel great, though they look out of place.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:56:55 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Boomerman @johnbudd1350 @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser But the average american draftee even had a way, WAY higher standard of shooting talent. A whole lot of those boys survived through the great depression hunting for survival throughout the country. It’s not like it is today.
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jollybudd1350 🎄 :njp: 🎄 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:56:56 JST
jollybudd1350 🎄 :njp: 🎄
@Boomerman @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser So a lighter, cheaper, easy to maintain, and reliable weapon that is less accurate is still preferable? That makes sense for daily use I suppose. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:56:56 JST
Boomerman
@johnbudd1350 @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Im the modern age "accuracy" can mean a lot. Does an infantry rifle need to shoot sub moa at 100 yards? Not really its just gotta hit whatever some goober is pointing at. Lots of troops are conscripted so you need a rifle any retard can pick up and use for potentially years. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:59:09 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser I can’t remember the battles, but there are at least 2 occasions where the marines landed, established a beachhead, and then watched their navy buddies retreat with their supply shifts aflame.
We simply couldn’t guarantee the supply lines for double the ammunition expenditure during the early phase in the war, if not triple. Burning through a clip in the M1 goes quick, and you just keep shooting under pressure. The 1903 forces a pause in between, that greatly slows fire rate, true, but chances are the guy isn’t really hitting anything anyways, judging from the rounds-per-kill metrics
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 10:59:10 JST
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Good point. Conditions in the pacific were different than Europe in that rust was more of an issue. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:01:35 JST
Boomerman
@jay_k @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser If youre in a pro gun state you can probably go into stores and find a wood stock easy. Or a cheap used rifle with a good stock to part out. Antique guns can be cheap. Maybe bug the local rotc for any ones they dont need -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:01:35 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Boomerman @jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I’d be shocked if they had any. AFAIK the CMP scoured everything years ago. They used to send out notices asking for old guns to the point they got parade rifles back.
Plus they might be all fiberglass, since the drills tend to destroy wood quick.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:07:01 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Dig around w/ the CMP, too. They have a lot of active people into this stuff. May be worth reading a bit on them too on the off chance you have an early one. They could blow up because the heat treatment at the time was done by eye, instead of by temperature (IIRC?)
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1903-m1903a3-rifle-information/
I like the 1903A3 stock for shooting, but it is a distinctively late war piece. The original is just a straight stick in comparison
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ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:07:02 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Sarco looks perfect, much appreciated. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:09:29 JST
Boomerman
@WashedOutGundamPilot @jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Youre probably right. Gun stores in the south always had like dozens of old work rifle for like 100 bucks and usually a barrel of random used stocks for like 5 bucks. Im sure you could find a nice beat one out there. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:09:29 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Boomerman @jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Maybe out there, ours have been picked clean for years. It’s depressing, everything I see local is insanely overpriced. Anything WWII vintage is hundreds now, even if barely servicable and ratty.
Pawn shops, stores, it doesn’t matter, they all look at gunbroker and decide a turkish mauser stock is definitely $400 because it looks dark and has a bunch of dents in it. I hate it, the hobby got so moneyed so quickly.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:29 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser A lot of the time they’d just cut down the stock, depending on the era. TBH if I had a sporterized 1903 that was done before 1950 I’d leave it.
I think 50 years from now people will balk at the idea of guys undoing the work of depression-era hunters sporterizing GI guns. I know yours will be something 70/80s, so probably not applicable, but if the wood was cut down and hand-cut for patterns up front, that’s just as charming as a GI rifle. There’s still millions of government-spec 1903s, but there may only be 1 of the gun that kept a family of 9 warm through the winter of ‘33.
At least hold on to whatever you take off. I foresee an era where people will start leaning into sporterized guns in a collector bent, and well-made work may end up quite valuable.
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:30 JST
GabeLakmann
Give me a second and I'll look some up. For the barrel search "criterion barrels" if it has been cut down and for the stock, maybe try numerich or brownells? -
ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:30 JST
ike🎉
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot Barrel has some divots, but I'm going to repair if I can. All the metal is fine. Although I do eventually want original sights, but it'll remain non D&T scoped mostly.
How tf have I not heard about Numrich before? Thanks man, this is good shit -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:48 JST
GabeLakmann
They did some evil stuff for sure. The worst out of everyone, even the soviets believe it or not. -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:48 JST
Starrlicher
A lot of those brutal soviet stories were because of the nonWhites they used too. Mongols and other such subjects. Though, out of all the regimes at the time the European soviets were definitely the most traumatized by their own governments. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:49 JST
GabeLakmann
If their grandpas were Nazis then they actually DID beat the first antifa.
You're right about the German POWs. As well as they were treated by the USA, the Germans actually treated the British and American POWs even better than they got treated. The Germans were the most honorable in the war but the Americans and British were pretty decent too.
After all, they had so much in common and were essentially related. It's hard NOT to find common ground and see them as a respectable enemy just doing the same thing you're doing but for their home team. -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:49 JST
Starrlicher
Whereas the marines were hearing stories of guys being tortured, flayed, starved, and all sorts of gruesome shit. The japs definitely had an idea of what no holds barred meant. Anything Americans did in the pacific was nothing compared to what the Japanese did to POWs. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:12:57 JST
Boomerman
@WashedOutGundamPilot @jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Man i guess ive been out the game here in commiefornia too long i have what i need so i dont really look much Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:09 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser Like here’s an example of something that’s better kept than “restored”. This was a “Sedgley Sporter” made after WWI with the plentiful 1903, whomade these guns from 1916 to 1938.
He was a Philly gunsmith who otok Winchester high-wall receivers and rebarreled them with winchester barrels after cleaning off all the original markings. He did pretty good euro walnut stocks and excellent Lyman sights to match. People called him the “poor man’s Griffin & Howe”, which is actually high praise for the era. Value 5 years ago was from $1600-2500, so today likely a good deal more.
Kinda painful to imagine how many good, beautiful pieces of work are being “returned” to look just like any other POS 1903 when they’re far, far rarer
But if it’s a bubba job from 1985 then rock on, just give ‘er a look over and make sure you don’t magically have something of real enduring quality. Gun nerds are dumb, they’ll toss excellent stuff thinking they’re upgrading to the next, better thing….only to kick themselves later because they gave up something wonderful. (I.e. the guys who traded in Colt Snakes for Glocks in the 90’s)
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:33 JST
Boomerman
@johnbudd1350 @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Now to make this a hellthread. The M4/M16 platform is as good an infantry rifle as can be made and will be the standard until the next massive leap in gun tech. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:45 JST
Boomerman
@Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot @johnbudd1350 People will abandon it for that sweet 5.56 -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:45 JST
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
I carry it because I've been to war with it and have experience with the platform. But I will always love the 5.56, and why do you need to improve it? People still get wrecked by it body armor or not, if it ain't broke don't fix it! -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:45 JST
Starrlicher
Hell if we started using tungsten cores there would be no reason to even abandon 5.56 to begin with. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:20:46 JST
Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:
They're already on the hunt for a battle rifle cartridge. I forsee the platform existing but getting new uts -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:21:41 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Lover @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @johnbudd1350 Every time I feel like the 556 is anemic I read the SS109 specs and pretend it’s as effective as they make it sound
Some of those make it sound amazing, when they describe green tips blasting through armor plates in testing
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:26:01 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser Here’s a griffon built on a model 98. Just imagine being the ghost of the guy who bought this thing, knowing the price, who left it in the family and some boomer ends up throwing cheap, mismatched K98 furniture on it.
There’s something funny about that to me. It’s an inversion of the normal “nooooooo don’t change it every milsurp gun is a holy relic don’t tough it” attitude everyone has now. Originality is valuable no matter what it is, I’d rather have an original sporter than a mismatched mutt milspec rifle, and vice versa.
Then again, they’re expensive because they’re popular, not really because they’re all that rare. It’s easy to get a little too invested in junk guns when they’re just old. I don’t care when guys make tanker garands, because it just makes mine go up in value anyway. They made like 7 million of them anyways.
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:26:11 JST
Boomerman
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Lover @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @johnbudd1350 Had a retard buddy take me to a range that wasnt his. We were asked not to shoot the steel with rifles. Easy enough. So my retard buddy hits a plate with a 7.62x39 and it doesnt do shit. Tell him we shouldnt shoot it anymore. Grabs my AR and puts like 10 rounds into it. Yell at him. Tells me its cool bro 7.62 did nothing what was wimpy 5.56 gonna do. Well they damn near blew through the plate. Owner got super pissed. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:27:39 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Fuck, scope mounts blocking exact serial, but it's a good one. Has the swept back bolt. Gonna take it in for full spa day anyway after barrel repair. Shit's nasty
Bookmarking this stuff, appreciate the wisdom allWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:28:34 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser It’s all good, buddy. Always happy to talk gun autism about this stuff. Makes me happy bringing others into the vortex. If you ever have a shot of the stock I’d be curious, I haven’t seen that many sporter 1903 and I’m not sure what the norm is for them
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:28:47 JST
GabeLakmann
Those are the sporterized ones I was talking about that AREN'T fudd trash.
Larry Potterfield or maybe Brownells showed one sometime for some reason or another and it was very nice. I think larry was hand fitting a recoil pad to it maybe?Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:28:56 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser Agreed on all of that. I keep all parts always, and don't sell anything even related to firearms.
If mine was original wood I'd buy a king size bed and make room.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:11 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser I got in the habit from granddad, where everything gets individually bagged with a note card of the gun, the serial, when it was taken off, and why. It’s come in handy over time, we tend to forget and before you know it you’re gonna throw away a barrel band worth $150 to the right guy. But you gotta be able to identify what it is.
If nothing else your kids will like it someday. It’s very cool being able to see the writing and see “Removed from 121416 on 1/4/92. Changed bolt to period-correct lot number. Fits all models”
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:22 JST
GabeLakmann
No, I haven't seen that.
I agree though, pretty much.
If I could afford to stack it deep I'd have gotten Mk262 for 5.56 ammo.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:23 JST
Starrlicher
I think there’s definitely a place for a .30 cal but I don’t think 5.56 is as useless as the army and other shills make it out to be. I like the conspiracy theory that they just don’t want civilians getting hands on armor piercers for the eventual civil situations in the future. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:23 JST
GabeLakmann
The armor piercing stuff has been going on since like the 80s or 90s I think with the "black talon" pistol rounds.
You can still get API rounds for 30-06 believe it or not.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:23 JST
Boomerman
@GabeLakmann @Lover @Evil_Bender @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot @johnbudd1350 AP is unnecessary have you seen that vid of the nigger cop getting hit and then just standing there till the beaner got him with a neck shot -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:31:28 JST
GabeLakmann
That is a good practice to have.
Keep the parts for spares and try not to sell anything if you don't have to.
My other rule is to "buy once cry once."
I didn't have very many guns but the ones I had were quality and had quality sights/optics on them.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:32:44 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Lover @Evil_Bender @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @johnbudd1350 Just hearing old guys laugh about incendiary ammo from back in the day hurts.
“hehe we’d blow stuff up with that explosive mauser ammo lol!! A dollar would buy you 120 rounds!! That was a lot back then!!!”
“ooof…..that’s like $1200 today”
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:33:04 JST
GabeLakmann
I do that too. If possible, take pictures when you disassemble too. That way you can put it back easier if you ever need to.
I also do that when working on vehicles or the like.
You can NEVER be too organized.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:34:50 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @jay_k Of all the things we own, guns are some of the greatest heirlooms. Everything I do tends to have that in mind, 100, 200 years from now someone will be looking at it feeling the same way I do when he hefts it and wonders what it’s seen
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:34:54 JST
Boomerman
@Lover @WashedOutGundamPilot @Evil_Bender @GabeLakmann @RadixVerum @RedKaiser @johnbudd1350 Its so shit russia copied it and is using that round right now. -
Starrlicher (lover@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:34:54 JST
Starrlicher
I do like the 5.45 tho. Don’t tell Gabe hahaha -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:34:54 JST
GabeLakmann
5.45 isn't bad. It's the commie equivalent of 5.56 and works fairly well. Ammo availability not being an issue would cause me to choose it over the 7.62 if I could only have on rifle and that rifle were an AK. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:36:13 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser Oh Lord no. I respect vintage, enough to not have my gun pride offended that you're looking out for it.
Going to go original furniture, but keep scope & mount. There's zero tacticool advantage from having a fucking thumbhole imo. Just want all the original parts in my inventory.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
mmmfeet (mmmfeet@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 11:55:31 JST
mmmfeet
@Lover @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @WashedOutGundamPilot Stalin specifically chose nonWhites to sack Berlin because he knew they'd be merciless Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Chet (chet@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 12:02:53 JST 
Chet
This whole thread makes me wonder what my M1 is dated. I'll look tomorrow.. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 12:02:53 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Chet @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @jay_k Look under the op rod when you pull it back a little bit, IIRC that’s where the barrel code is. Generally the receiver is made within 8 months of the barrel, sometimes closer.
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GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 12:02:54 JST
GabeLakmann
Those old winchesters are nice.
That's what that is, isn't it?
I know someone with a 100 year old .22lr that shoots better than new ones. I didn't believe it until I saw it first hand.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 03-Feb-2023 12:04:09 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @Boomerman @RedKaiser @jay_k Yeah, levers seem to be one of those things a lot of widows have, IME. Every time some old lady asks you to “see if its safe” they point you to an old lever gun hiding behind a nook in the garage.
If things are real good she’ll give it to you because she’s afraid of it and doesn’t know how to dispose of it
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ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Feb-2023 10:27:29 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser I'll take pics this weekend. The non-D&T scope mounts work surprisingly well fyi. Downside is taking a dremel to the inside of the stock. Shit, guess I need to buy two original stocks lul Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Feb-2023 10:31:56 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@jay_k @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Far, far and away better than imagined. Hardly even “fudd”, from the looks of it.
Fudd shit is when it’s both cheap AND poorly done, like when you see someone drill in a 1/2 lb block of PIC rail to fit a shitty chinese scope after dremeling off the Mark I sights for a “scout” scope.
It’s a shame about the stock, it’s actually handsome, as far as aftermarket ones go. Maybe it’s gonna be cool looking with the wood on it. I’ve never found it in myself to go for the long, skinny period scopes but they are cool looking.
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ike🎉 (jay_k@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Feb-2023 10:31:57 JST
ike🎉
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Boomerman @GabeLakmann @Evil_Bender @Lover @RadixVerum @RedKaiser Spaced the pics.
Like Africans, runs like the devil & looks like shit.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.
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