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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:06:01 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   • Paultron-3030

   Boeing is distinctly american: It's a plane FOR pilots on the deck. Everything is deferred to the captain, he can shut stuff down and hand fly it however he pleases.

   Airbus, by all the water cooler gossip (since I'm not allowed to touch that stuff yet but I'm surrounded by retirees of both breeds) says that airbus sees the pilot as a mandated piece of equipment. It doesn't WANT you to fly the plane by hand, it wants you (in typical euro fashion) to defer to the computer and let everything be automated.

   Just look at the diff in control stations: Boeing gives you a yoke, the same as every aircraft of its class has sported since the golden years of flight. Boeing gives you a pilot's seat, while Airbus turns it into a management station. Boeing has an eye for tradition and history, and airbus simply can't wait to kick your dumb ass out of the cockpit.
   
   RT: https://poa.st/objects/4e6dbf86-9ca4-46b5-b5c7-cf55d8ad163a

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:08:39 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Paultron Airbus sees you as an automation overseer, to the point they get rid of the yoke in favor of a tiny little sidestick. See, you need that because they want your lap free for opening manuals, holding clipboards, doing paperwork, etc. You're a bureaucrat, not a pilot.

     Those sticks aren't even connected to your controls, it's all electronic. Meanwhile (I assume this is still true for the modern MAX because guys are STILL studying their hydraulics at work) that Boeing yoke is directly connected to the pinions, joints, and pumps required to directly move your controls. You have direct and clear sensations when you're flying it by hand. You can account for stiff winds and really grease her on in because every sensation it returns to your hands is real.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:12:17 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Paultron Now, Airbus generally dominates in terms of the pax experience: until recent years, travel was still somewhat higher class over in Europe. They really didn't get into the niggercattle pack-em-in philosophy until the last 8 or 9 years, so Airbus still kinda held on to that old school premium passenger compartment design.

     Now, the changes are lessening with each restyle, but Airbus always seems to have this kind of trickle-down 1st class vibe even in their economy seating that we can never figure out here.

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:12:54 JST Machismo

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Paultron So, airbus is the plane for diversity hires.
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   • Radians (demonsixone@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:23:14 JST Radians

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Paultron It also comes down to the order of control laws. In Boeing aircraft the pilot flies and the limiters are there to make suggestions. In airbus, control inputs are suggestions to the flight computer, inputs that would exceed aoa or roll limits are ignored.
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   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:23:14 JST Paultron-3030

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     @DemonSixOne @WashedOutGundamPilot the power and wisdom of a third world captain is still able to overcome the airbus computer
     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia_Flight_8501
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:28:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @DemonSixOne @Paultron Yup. The decision is whether you trust our human capital on the flight deck or the engineering room less. For me, the MAX fiasco demonstrated that the engineering and coding that goes into futuristic automation is a greater danger to me than flight crew. Since we got two people up front, I got a good enough chance there's a competent dude there that I'll trust them more.

     Funny that, from what I gather, the MCAS system is just another one of these faggy AOA trinkets that they rolled out. It's yet another thing that white guys have zero use for, because we intuit how effectively our wings are positioned. We understand the physics, or at least feel them enough to get it.

     But browns and women can't visualize that on the fly, so they need to see a green/red light to let them know whether they're angled too high or low. Retarded.

   • CrustyB (crustyb@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:28:34 JST CrustyB

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     If I have to choose between having R2D2 as my pilot or Deontay J'mal Jackson I'm gonna go full Skywalker.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:29:19 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @CrustyB @Paultron Route 1: Flight code developed by bangladeshi subcontractors (that can be disabled with a single switch)

     Route 2: Flight code developed by bangladeshi subcontractors (always on)

   • Radians (demonsixone@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:34:36 JST Radians

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     @Paultron @WashedOutGundamPilot Yep, when you crash the FACs you drop into Alternate law and pitch/roll protection is lost.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:35:19 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @DemonSixOne @Paultron I should be able to yank the controls so hard at flight that the only thing preventing me from bending metal is the weakness of my biceps

     I would never want to see "LAW" in an error code

   • Radians (demonsixone@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:53:00 JST Radians

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Paultron On a A320 not happening at least not in normal control law in flight. Its basically training wheels for an airliner and flies a lot like a low fidelity simulaton. Great for low hours turd worlders but is why you see them auger in once things degrade.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 03:53:00 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @DemonSixOne @Paultron Good heavens no wonder the airbus retirees can't fly for shit. Their career was spent with a bunch of CVT flight modes constantly fiddling with the feedback!