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1. Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 14:52:43 JST Rusty Crab
   The troons are in revolt against kagi now for *simply including brave search proxy in their result options*. The hit is small right now but if you wanted to sign up for what I would unironically describe as a "life changing product" this would be the time to support them.
   
   The owner basically said they weren't making politics part of their product decisions and the usual screeching and breaking of chairs followed.
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   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 14:52:43 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @RustyCrab Im going to keep using my searx and btfoing everyone :walter_smug:
   • Tsuki (tsuki@amami.paradigm-x.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:01 JST Tsuki

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     Being able to rank up/down websites is my favorite feature. It's baffling this isn't standard for every search engine
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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:13 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Tsuki
     @Tsuki if they allowed that they couldn't push sponsorships.
     
     Googles business model is to keep you frustrated scrolling through pages of ads not finding what you need.
     
     Kagi is incentivized to get you off the search engine as quickly as possible because you using it costs them money.
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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:33 JST Rusty Crab

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     • vic
     @vic specifically for error messages you should try quick answer and fastgpt. Quick answer has been stunningly accurate for me and is good about citing its sources.
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   • vic (vic@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:39 JST vic

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     @RustyCrab Is it better than Brave? Is it good for searching for technical questions (e.g. pasting error messages or asking how to do something in a certain programming language)?
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:53 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Hoss Delgado
     @Hoss I genuinely hope it improves your quality of life as it has mine. People need to be woken up to how intolerably awful search has become.
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   • Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:52:54 JST Hoss Delgado

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     That tranny tantrum I featured last night made at least three sales for Kagi including my own.
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:53:13 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Hoss Delgado
     • Tsuki
     @Hoss @Tsuki yeah honestly I've become extremely redpilled on what "free service" really means.
     
     "free as in google" is the true meaning of "it's free if you don't value your time"
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   • Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:53:14 JST Hoss Delgado

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     • Tsuki
     So this is what it feels like to be the customer and not the product.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:54:33 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Hoss Delgado
     • Tsuki
     @RustyCrab @Tsuki @Hoss
     
     Also free as in "Venture capitalist will create a nice service and attempt to undermine everything else just so they can make it completely shitty years after" look at the state of the web now and it's all those "free" services's faults
   • thegreatape (thegreatape@thechimp.zone)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:55:04 JST thegreatape

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     • Tsuki
     I never imagined in my life I'd consider paying for a search engine but this is very tempting. I search a LOT like I'm sure most of you guys do.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:56:24 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @thegreatape @Tsuki I use search engines for everything, so
     
     I think we're better getting used to it because if we want to escape the "free" services becoming shit and ad and data hellscape, this is what we have to do
     
     The paid web and the user generated web will be better than the free corpo and ad supported one
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:57:47 JST Rusty Crab

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @thegreatape @Tsuki I have down ranked a few websites. Wikipedia being one of them and all Pinterest domains. It works for both text and image search as well as seeming to affect AI answers correctly (it never cites Wikipedia for me)
   • Tsuki (tsuki@amami.paradigm-x.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 06:57:47 JST Tsuki

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     • thegreatape
     It's been really great for getting rid of all the shitty fandom wikis for stuff where a better alternative one exists
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   • Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:00:20 JST Gnarley Boot

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     • salty_apollyon
     @RustyCrab @rlier23
     
     I would never pay for a search engine, but I do have to bouce around google, duckduckgo and yandex for what I want. It's easy using bangs, !g and !ya, (the exclamation can be on either side).
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:00:20 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • salty_apollyon
     • Gnarley Boot
     @gnarley_boot @RustyCrab @rlier23 Please reconsider. Maybe not for Kagi itself if you don't like it, but think at how terrible the Internet became. Think of all of the "free" services and other crappy silicon valley bullshit slipped over everything else by taking infinite losses. Everything sucks because of this now
     
     The future of the web should be user generated again and paid services that respect the user. The "free" ad and data hellscapes can go
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:00:21 JST Rusty Crab

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     • salty_apollyon
     @rlier23 you just go to kagi.com and sign up for a free trial.
     It's a paid search engine but it's the first one ever that has blown google out of the fucking water. It saves me 1-2 hours per day of research. No advertising or sponsored links that are plastered everywhere else.
   • salty_apollyon (rlier23@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:00:22 JST salty_apollyon

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     @RustyCrab how do you do that?
   • mischievoustomato (mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:01:35 JST mischievoustomato

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     • Hoss Delgado
     • Tsuki
     free as in google has mean "perhaps sucks a lot and can be unreliable" for a good time, and i say this as someone who uses free google shit
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:01:35 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Hoss Delgado
     • Tsuki
     • mischievoustomato
     @mischievoustomato @Tsuki @Hoss google WAS a genuinely good search engine long ago. That's how they became the default. They have since become an advertiser platform with search-like elements.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:27 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @RustyCrab @Tsuki @thegreatape Fandom is awful and I recommend not using it if you can avoid it
     
     Wikia and co were not a completely awful idea, but the lowered barrier of entry to make a wiki usually leads to incompetent people leading it. And then you mix the Fandom horrible bullshit into it and you basically have a website that is going to be almost entirely devoid of quality people because anyone with half a brain will avoid this hellscape
     
     This is how Reddit keeps degenerating. The software is not made for discussion and then everything about it got worse with age
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:28 JST Rusty Crab

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @Tsuki @thegreatape fandom is fairly tolerable using brave as a browser. It seems like they did a lot of work specifically on that site. I have tried recently viewing it with chromium and good lord.
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:29 JST Rusty Crab

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @Tsuki @thegreatape ironically I have been depending on fandom heavily recently for Long Dark info. Fandom as a site is cancer but is the Autism Nexus of Useless Information and it's hard to beat on that front.
   • Tsuki (tsuki@amami.paradigm-x.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:29 JST Tsuki

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     • thegreatape
     Recently there's been a bit of a push for alternatives. Hopefully before long either fandom makes their sites less horrible or most will move somewhere else.
   • Arkana (arkana@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:53 JST Arkana

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     • salty_apollyon
     @RustyCrab @rlier23 It seems promising. I would like if they had a "pay as you go" option rather than a monthly payment
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:04:53 JST Rusty Crab

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     • salty_apollyon
     • Arkana
     @Arkana @rlier23 the base plan is pretty much that. You get a fixed number of searches and you can pay for more beyond that. I use it a shitton every day and I want access to their beta features so I'm actually an ultimate subscriber. That option is pretty expensive but the time and frustration it saves me is worth it 10 times over.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:19:56 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • salty_apollyon
     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • Gnarley Boot
     @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @RustyCrab @rlier23 @gnarley_boot The problem with this is that with the Internet getting worse, it's that these services are getting worse and worse and you want as less people using them as possible. Kagi and other services perhaps could have a limited free tier later, when they get better. Or perhaps ideally we can ask these users to use better user hosted free services
     
     Google and co won't fuck off as long as their stuff is used
   • CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:19:57 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • salty_apollyon
     • Gnarley Boot
     @coolboymew @RustyCrab @rlier23 @gnarley_boot Using free services is still sometimes worthwhile - especially if you are young or don't have $60/year to blow on a search engine.
     
     This type of service seems absolutely geared towards people who would be willing to lay down money to look up technical information. Utility is probably questionable for someone who is asking something to the tune of "when is X open?" "Where are nearby coffee shops?" etc.
     
     I see the value but it absolutely doesn't look like it's for everyone.
   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@buildthatwallandmakeamericagreatagain.trumpislovetrumpis.life)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:20:52 JST Zergling_man

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @coolboymew @thegreatape @RustyCrab @Tsuki Reminder that lyrics.fandom.com got deleted and they won't tell you why.
     You can probably guess why.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:21:02 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     • Zergling_man
     @Zergling_man @Tsuki @RustyCrab @thegreatape I have no idea, what happened?
   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@buildthatwallandmakeamericagreatagain.trumpislovetrumpis.life)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:21:08 JST Zergling_man

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • salty_apollyon
     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • Gnarley Boot
     @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @coolboymew @gnarley_boot @rlier23 @RustyCrab They sound like map questions. Imagine if there was a free and open source map solutioin.
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   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@buildthatwallandmakeamericagreatagain.trumpislovetrumpis.life)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:22:44 JST Zergling_man

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • thegreatape
     • Tsuki
     @coolboymew @thegreatape @RustyCrab @Tsuki Some label kvetched.
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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:23:46 JST Rusty Crab

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • salty_apollyon
     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • Zergling_man
     • Gnarley Boot
     @Zergling_man @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @rlier23 @gnarley_boot @coolboymew maps are tricky because they can have dire real life consequences if they are wrong.
     
     That's the one and only thing I can see myself using from google for an extended time going forward. I have a gmail account but it's very much a "I need to use this because pm.me looks scary to my 60 year old tax guy" situation. I don't use it for personal stuff anymore.
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   • NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 07:31:41 JST NEETzsche

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • salty_apollyon
     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • Gnarley Boot

     And quite importantly, people are going to continue using Google stuff as long as it's convenient to do so. Normal people don't want to learn how to install Gentoo just so they can use youtube-dl instead of www.freeyoutubedownloadnoviruses.com. Only when Google is so shit that oblivious, apolitical retard normies can't make use of it, will this question even come close to resolving in our favor.

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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:40 JST Rusty Crab

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     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ
     @wan @ceo_of_monoeye_dating in general you should probably have a reserve pool of some normie coins that were funneled through monero when the exchange rate is low. I don't think most businesses will accept monero likely due to legal liabilities. Dealing with that probably puts you at a high risk for auditing since preventing money laundering is just about the only damn thing the American government takes seriously
   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:40 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     @RustyCrab @ceo_of_monoeye_dating Which is even more trouble, and allows linking between different services paid from the reserve pool. All I'm saying is that it'd be nice if it were made not so much trouble, like how some VPN providers go out of their way to provide payment options that cannot be used to identify anyone.
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   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:41 JST Rusty Crab

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     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ
     @wan @ceo_of_monoeye_dating if you funnel crypto through monero it becomes untraceable.
   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:41 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     @RustyCrab @ceo_of_monoeye_dating Yes, but the cost and trouble overhead of having to convert back from Monero into BTC just to pay for something that doesn't accept Monero directly makes it significantly less attractive.
   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:42 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     • CEO of Monoeye Dating
     @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @RustyCrab It's unfortunate that they don't accept genuinely anonymous crypto payments or the good old cash-in-envelope-with-a-token-linked-to-a-generated-number method of some VPNs.
   • CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:13:43 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating

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     @RustyCrab This is one of those "cautious optimism" things.
     
     I'll give it a try, having this type of thing be worth $5/mo is a little questionable but that's similar to the value of a VPN.
   • Zambia (diurnalfreak666@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:15:12 JST Zambia

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     @RustyCrab that chart makes it look a lot worse than it is-- you've got a dip that looks like they lost half their subscriber baseor someething but if you look at the scale marks (which are weirdly arbitrary I hope there's some kind of reason for starting it where they did) you can see it's not that much overall. It's noticeable but it's not like everyone's stopping using it immediately becaused they're aoffondesd
     
     Oh this is something like a stock ticker isn't it where it measures change over time I get it now nevermind ok the
   • Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 08-Jan-2024 15:15:12 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Zambia
     @diurnalfreak666 no I get that. They lost a couple of days worth of sub's but that is a large departure from the consistent growth they've seen for the past year. The troons are up in arms about it now trying to convince everyone to shutter them.
     
     Recent history has shown that "getting the ball rolling" is serious encouragement for them for the purposes of cancelation. I'm trying to do something small to counteract that. Their user base is small enough that just telling friends about it can make a difference.
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