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1. Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:10:13 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

   bad idea for an experiment:

   take a betamax tape, and a vhs tape. open both casettes, remove the actual tape, and put the beta tape into the VHS cassette.

   First of all, it won't play. obviously.
   but then see if we can record to it and play it back.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:16:36 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     dooo dooo doo dooo....

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:28:34 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I'm in. (to the Beta tape)

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:34:01 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     and I'm into the VHS tape

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:36:10 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • SkaveRat 🐀 :verified:

     @skaverat it's the mini-series, prior to going to a show

   • SkaveRat 🐀 :verified: (skaverat@skaverat.net)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:36:11 JST SkaveRat 🐀 :verified:

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     @foone okay, but the important question: what episode of galactica is it?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:43:35 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     cross-winding the tape

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:47:26 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     where's a VHS rewinder when you need one?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:52:43 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     why VHS beat Beta in one, oversimplified example:

     The reel on the right is beta. the reel on the left is VHS. A bigger reel meets it holds more tape. More tape means it can record for more minutes.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:02:23 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     Beta tape is now wound onto the the VHS reel.
     Now I need to unwind the other reel of the VHS tape and splice it back together

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:04:49 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Michael Graham

     @mkgraham me too. But sadly I don't trust my beta players to play beta tapes, let alone horrible mismatch VHS tapes

   • Michael Graham (mkgraham@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:04:50 JST Michael Graham

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     @foone I'd like to see it the other way around as well

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:08:26 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I guess that means, given the history of home media, that the final version was Blu-ray

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:08:27 JST Thomas 🔭🕹️

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     @foone tbf it was in beta

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:13:47 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     how do you unspool half a kilometer of tape?

     a power drill, obviously!

   • philpem (philpem@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:18:49 JST philpem

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     @foone ...on my desk, waiting for me to convert it into a VHS tape cleaner!

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:27:42 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     okay, tape is back together. Now I'm going to manually rewind it, because I don't want to risk my VCR slamming into the end of the tape at high speed.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:33:01 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     I should 3D print a VHS-reel-to-drill adapter

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:39:59 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     PRINT IT

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:50:24 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     still printing but I finished rewindng it by hand

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:53:48 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     and it's back together. time to go see what the VCR does.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:58:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     I am currently recording a video onto the Beta-VHS tape. You can probably guess what video.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:58:33 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     and it gave a signal! it's gibberish, of course, but I'm amazed. I thought the VCR would just stop or show nothing.

     So this is what happens if you play a Beta tape on a VHS VCR: gibberish lines.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:03:59 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     Here's a GIF of what it looks like in action

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:05:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     And here we go! So the answer is: YES.

     You can absolutely record VHS signals onto Beta tape.

     (The pause at the beginning is just me not starting the blu-ray player at the same time as I hit record on my VCR)

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:07:00 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     There's no audio, but I'm not sure if that's a problem with my setup or a technical issue with the tape. I'll have to play around with it

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:30:56 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     okay yep: I hadn't connected one of the cables to my PVM correctly.

     The audio is fine on the VHS-recorded segment. There's no audio on the beta-recorded segment.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:32:05 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     also I've ejected the tape three times now with no snags. It definitely isn't exploding my VCR that I can detect.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:33:15 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • leading cackle influencer

     @ruthan oh no. That was just the obvious video to test with.

   • leading cackle influencer (ruthan@triangletoot.party)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:33:16 JST leading cackle influencer

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     @foone did you seriously do all this work just to set up a rickroll

   • Marcin Wichary (mwichary@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:34:26 JST Marcin Wichary

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     @foone Cursed

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:35:48 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Marcin Wichary

     @mwichary cursed is how I roll

   • FozzTexx (fozztexx@mastodon.fozztexx.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:36:24 JST FozzTexx

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     @foone Was someone insisting that video tapes were like Coleco Adam tapes and they had to be formatted at the factory before a consumer could use them?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:37:13 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • FozzTexx

     @fozztexx not that I've seen. but I was wondering if it'd work. I expected it would, but expecting isn't the same as knowing.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:57:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Jakob

     @74k08 Not really. A few horizontal lines but that may just be a speed issue because my tape isn't properly wound tight

   • Jakob (74k08@hostux.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:57:19 JST Jakob

     in reply to

     @foone Nice! Were you able to spot a difference in quality compared to VHS?

   • Marcin Wichary (mwichary@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:58:56 JST Marcin Wichary

     in reply to

     @foone Dammit “hellical” was right there and I missed it

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 13:58:56 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Marcin Wichary

     @mwichary that's a good name, yeah!

   • Yuki 膤 ❄️ :heart_trans:​ (yuki@im-in.space)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 14:01:00 JST Yuki 膤 ❄️ :heart_trans:​

     in reply to

     @foone Foone finding increasingly cursed ways to rickroll people, where will this end?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 14:01:57 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Yuki 膤 ❄️ :heart_trans:​

     @Yuki end? this is where I STARTED
     https://twitter.com/Foone/status/977749963210813440

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 09:38:56 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     My 3D printed drill-to-vhs adapter looks good.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 10:47:30 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I wound it the wrong way, it hit the end of the tape, and snapped.

     I probably should have used a higher infill, but fundamentally this is a kinda bad idea.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 10:58:26 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • jbaggs

     @jbaggs that would have been a smart idea, but no, I didn't

   • jbaggs (jbaggs@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 10:58:27 JST jbaggs

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     @foone I'm sure you plan on using some sort of limit on the drive motor, but this also just feels like the sort of "very bad idea" I am entirely here for.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 11:20:02 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     • Chuck

     @ChuckMcManis yeah that's what I'm doing for my second print: I changed the diameter of the bit so I can put it in my variable torque screwdriver

   • Chuck (chuckmcmanis@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 11:20:03 JST Chuck

     in reply to

     @foone Also if you are using a variable torque driver (like most battery operated drills are these days) set the torque level to the minimum needed to wind from zero. That should be much less than the torque that would break the spindle you are using.

   • Chuck (chuckmcmanis@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 11:20:04 JST Chuck

     in reply to

     @foone I've found that applications like this get more strength from increasing "shells" than they do from increasing "infill". I'd try it again with 4 or 5 shells and see if it still breaks.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 13:13:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     I redesigned it: Instead of having a bit, I just put a hole in it, and then jammed a double-ended hex bit into it.
     Now I can use it on my variable-torch screwdriver, and it works just fine!

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 13:36:17 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Rue Mohr

     @RueNahcMohr the screwdriver will stall if it exceeds the torque limit, so it shouldn't be too risky for the tape

   • Rue Mohr (ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 13:36:18 JST Rue Mohr

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     @foone no safety tho, it could break the tape

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 16:42:17 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Chuck

     @ChuckMcManis yeah. I set it as low as I could and still have it turn the reels

   • Chuck (chuckmcmanis@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-Jan-2024 16:42:18 JST Chuck

     in reply to

     @foone But you have to set the torch very low though right?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2024 13:57:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

     in reply to

     @gewt suggested I repeat the experiment with some u-matic tapes, but unfortunately they're a different width: 3/4 inch (1.9cm) instead of 1/2 inch (1.3cm) like VHS and Beta.