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PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:54:02 JST 
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@phnt @marine @alex @NEETzsche @lanodan @mint @hj >While most Pleroma maintainers will probably disagree with me, I want Pleroma to stay a niche project. The same applies to the Fediverse as a whole. Fedi as it is right now, is much cozier than normal social media and with high user count comes corporate BS and other things I don't like on the proprietary walled-garden alternatives.
There's either one of two fates for the fedi: it becomes popular, normified, and the NPC meme of the guy surrounded by them becomes real (after every internet artist has to join a blocked instance to get seen online), or it becomes the eternal containment site always slandered by the media.
Case in point; what Jawsh said about Gab:
"Not to mention Gab suffers from what I refer to as the “8chan problem”, or perhaps more succinctly, the “quarantine problem”. If you make a new service just for people banned from an existing service, you will end up with only that audience. What is attractive about Gab to people not banned from Twitter? Absolutely nothing. There is no reason to go there as someone unaffected by Twitter’s censorship, and furthermore, even as someone affected by Twitter’s censorship, I have no reason to go there because I know people there will mostly agree with what I have to say anyways and it will gain no traction outside of that audience."
If you're not posting lolisho or funny words, why would you be here instead of Twitter? Musk Derangement Syndrome? That's cool, but if you didn't nuke your account to own Musk you can always log back in and everyone I know does this. You're not going to get seen anyways unless you pander to a specific demographic, join the right server, do everything right, etc. At least on centralized sites you'll "be seen", and I've seen people abandon BlueSky when they realize that there's just more content on Twitter.
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NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:54:28 JST 
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I have a countervailing point to this that might serve as a white pill. Unlike centralized services, federated services are resilient to company shutdowns or annoying policy changes. Email is a great example of this. Even if the top ten email providers shuttered all at once, everybody would scramble to get a new email address on whichever rinky dink email host they could find. Once you're in email, you never leave it.
So too is the case for fedi. Once someone is on fedi, they never leave fedi, not really. There are, of course, exceptions to this, but the overall point is that entrenchment in fedi is more permanent than entrenchment on Twitter or Facebook. It's a lot more intractable. And fedi instances falling won't make fedi users stop using fedi. It will make them just find new instances.
This places these social media companies in a real pickle. Once they alienate users and they eventually find their way onto fedi, that's it. They're not coming back, not really, except maybe as throwaway accounts to come ridicule their retarded users.
Basically, I'm of the view that gradually, it will reach a critical mass, and that will be that.
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PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:54:52 JST
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@NEETzsche @marine @phnt @alex @lanodan @mint @hj >So too is the case for fedi. Once someone is on fedi, they never leave fedi, not really.
Only if they're entrenched enough deeply, there's users to hook them in, and there's content (tm). Many people still have Twitter accounts or ways of using nitter to look at their favorite internet artist, because gee most of the artists on fedi happen to be lolisho artists. Considering how big baraag and misskey.io are though that really is a big demographic.
To stay on fedi you need to ditch a lot of traditional social media mindsets. If you're used to making new Twitter accounts and posting that you want to "find your frens", then it's old news to you. But if you're a normie with a following, you absolutely do not want to ditch it. Why do you think account sales happen? Why do you think someone like Sam Hyde paid money for certain handles as a joke? Why do you think it wasn't uncommon for an abandoned bluecheck account to get hacked and sold online for money to some shitposter who would post slurs and/or shit talk people with it as long as he could before the ban came in? Why do you think a common mastodong complaint is "ugh the instance went down I'm going to lose my followers"? likes this. -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:56:00 JST
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>To stay on fedi you need to ditch a lot of traditional social media mindsets.
Not really. You just find an instance willing to host your shit (or start your own) and then post the shit you want to post, follow the people you want to follow, etc. Literally the only thing holding fedi back now is the network effect on extant centralized social media, and that's gradually evaporating because these centralized services have lifespans, and fedi really doesn't. Fedi's lifespan is literally the lifespan of the Internet itself.
The only way to stymie this process is for centralized social media to become more freeze peach, and with the exception of Twitter, most are going in the exact opposite direction. likes this. -
PC-9801 Enjoyer (pawlicker@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:56:11 JST
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@NEETzsche @marine @phnt @alex @lanodan @mint @hj The problem with the fedi is there are two networks sharing the name and protocol; and also the person you're telling to host the instance has the computer literacy of vid related.
>The only way to stymie this process is for centralized social media to become more freeze peach, and with the exception of Twitter, most are going in the exact opposite direction.
I agree, but how hard will the frog have to boil? I literally cannot get my friends onto anything that's not a walled garden, period.
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