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1. Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 10:54:45 JST Shadowman311
   Wait what? Never got enough supporters? But I was told the only thing stopping the NJP from taking over the US was that blasted Elon Musk and everyone else in the dissident right that wasn't a psychophantic dick rider. and that all this "online stuff" was just a distraction, now they're "folding it back in" to their paywalled online garbage, you know the stuff they said was useless.
   
   I'd say this implosion will hurt "da moobment" but let's be real with ourselves, the only thing this hurts is TRS who are already hemorrhaging subscribers (this will increase now) since in terms of the greater Internet NJP was barely a blip.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 10:54:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Shadowman311 I literally never heard or saw anything about them until I got on poast, and it's strange because I've undoubtedly worked with lots of listeners over the years.

     I checked out the shows on recommendation here but they were pretty low-quality and un-entertaining....felt just like any other 10-year youtuber veteran who long ago got bored, even hateful of their audience because they're stuck doing a job they hate - bc it's impossible to get a job after 10 years of "self employment" being politically incorrect online

   • samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 10:55:13 JST samjay ganges

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     @Shadowman311 There were plenty of supporters. When I was in a pool party a couple years ago, we had a steady influx of new members every month, and that was even with Tony's deliberate sabotage of the vetting process.
     
     The problem is these pool parties were never properly utilized. The reason is self evident -- NJP was mostly a cash grab, intended to extract more money out of TRS's dwindling subscriber base.
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   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:30:52 JST SettlerLife

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 There's *is* this weird blackout around them when I've seen a lot of smaller randos getting shitlibs running around with their hair on fire and being a cause of DEEB GONCERN. Always wondered why that was.
   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:30:52 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     Most of the stuff they did past a certain point was relegated to their internet ghetto. Meanwhile fuentes et al got coverage because they put themselves out there. The other people you're talking about, the randos, more than likely did whatever got people to freak out in a much more public space
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   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:35:13 JST SettlerLife

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     • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
     @doctorsex @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot Even then it feels weird that it even was ghettoized that hard.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:35:13 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SettlerLife @doctorsex @Shadowman311 Yeah, I really think it's because of the terribly dumb decision to go from Streamer-Eceleb Patreon Club--->Super Serious Ethnic Political Party

     Pretty much every misstep, fuckup, and embarrassment stems from that. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone made a lot of would-be coverage die in the crib. Journofags don't have time, or more accurately, don't have the interest in learning about deep lolcow lore online, because it's a minefield. Chances are any sane person with their name on a letterhead (i.e. their editors, who are at least libshit-astute enough to keep their job) would kill the stories because they simply can't parse what the hell is going on with this e-celeb fandom.

     I always shat/shit on things like this, whenever influencers and the like approach us for free shit and publicity. We've sponsored a couple things in the past, but they were unknowns with a simple, streamlined internet presence. Having some guy show up and say "oh yeah check out my organization we...." will get my eyes glazing over because I (the youngest guy in the company with any brains) will have to do a background check and learn about all the friends & enemies this rube has developed in the course of his e-celebdom. Not worth it to me, so I assume others are similar.

   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:35:24 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     A lot of that is/was voluntary on their part. For a few years, it was "twitter is gay and for fags, don't go on there." The most outreach they were doing was flyers and stickers in public- how many people do you know actually look up whatever it is when they see those, political or otherwise? They really didn't put in a lot of effort into spreading the message beyond people who were already plugged in.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:37:39 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @doctorsex @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 Classic youtuber mindset (applies to all e-celebs, but the longer-form content nerds developed that insular pattern first. If you went on car forums to talk about someone's viper build, you'd find that they all hated the youtuber, because it wasn't one of their in-house celebs. Pretty true in every hobby too, the only place people actually like the e-celeb is on their platform of choice, with zero crossover to other uncontrolled locales.

     Gotta stay in friendly territory, safe behind the doors of paying customership

   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:37:50 JST SettlerLife

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     @doctorsex @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot I always assumed twitter that was sour grapes because they always got kicked off after a couple weeks. Borzoi must have ran through a dozen accounts but the rest more or less gave up. Even after Musk there were only around for a short time before they all got booted.
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   • Remi (remi@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:38:06 JST Remi

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     @doctorsex @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot If you didn't already know about them prior to 2017, you were never going to know about them
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:40:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Remi @doctorsex @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 I'm positive I've had people talk about them with me, I at least recognized "the daily shoah" as a thing, but as silly as the joke is....it's freaking indistinguishable from "the daily show". In common speech, impossible to tell apart.

     Doesn't help that they paywall EVERYTHING. I diagnosed them 2 years ago with late-stage creator's disease. They closed themselves off and stopping recruiting fresh blood to the fanbase, it's now all a languid death spiral until only the dumbest and most fervent followers remain

     (unless they pull out of the spin with renewed energy, more shows, and a concerted effort to break that cycle, still quite doable.)

   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:40:28 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     There was a brief period starting about a month or two again where a few of them went back on there, got some decent engagement on a handful of posts, but it's pretty much a dead platform for them. I can get comparable interaction on a fedi post about jelqing on nicecrew to what sven gets on his twitter.
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   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:40:33 JST SettlerLife

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     • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @doctorsex @Shadowman311 This was long before the NJP stuff, I was under the impression that a big part of that was to try get around the fact that they were more or less permabanned from the internet.
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   • samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:41:58 JST samjay ganges

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Remi @doctorsex @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 I think they've burned too much goodwill for that.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:43:29 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @samjayganges @Remi @doctorsex @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 New blood won't know though. I'm trying to think of some e-celebs that have done it.

     Oh, duh....like Andrew Tate! He was a nigger pimp to us, anyone who knows his lolcow story pre-2022 laughs at him. Guy gets an astroturfed appearance on tucker carlson's shitshow and now he's a brave, proud, truth-telling PATRIOT fighting the MATRIX

     (that's totally not jewish at all it's just white women being whores and that's why you should all refuse to give them children and send them to be raped by islamic apes)

   • samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:43:40 JST samjay ganges

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 There was an effort amongst some of the pool party members to reach a wider audience, however nothing was approved other than the bare minimum: maybe 10 videos a year of speeches and protests, that was it.
     
     A multitude of promotional materials existed or were in production, but the NJP leadership never got around to approve or reject them.
     
     My original impression was they were simply too busy, but now it is obvious the real reason was they intentionally wanted a limited impact. The more people interested in NJP, the more people asking uncomfortable questions like "where is all this money going?" and "what are our supporter numbers like?"
     
     The whole thing was a cash grab, pure and simple.
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   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:43:54 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     Yeah, even if they do somehow get a second wind there's way tok much baggage at this point. Let's say someone new stumbles across this stuff, never heard of it before, totally unfamiliar. That guy is just a few clicks away from seeing... everything that they've said and done for the past year or so.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:45:57 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @samjayganges @Shadowman311 Yeah.... I can't help but dissect it all everytime these failings come up, it's just too interesting to me. It sucks that they had SOME momentum, goodwill, and effort, and now all those guys are likely burned for good.

     Thankfully we're still in the "good times" right now, even if it doesn't feel like it. We can afford to have this implode, like a kid screwing up the nuggets on the first day of work at wendy's. As long as some lessons are learned for the next one, whites will stay winning

   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:47:40 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     Tate could make it work because he figured out the right buttons to press for viral marketing, which is intentionally or not set up in a way that if you go out there and try to do the same thing but with hitler or whatever, it's just not going to work
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   • Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:47:49 JST Shadowman311

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     @doctorsex @SettlerLife @WashedOutGundamPilot I remember clear as day when Elon Musk promised "full amnesty" for all Twitter accounts and suddenly Sven had his little meltdown burning every bridge on fedi and they all started nuking their accounts and moving over there one by one, they did all this without even checking to make sure Elon would actually follow through. surprise surprise he didn't actually do it and they were stuck on Twitter since they burned the bridges of the one place that gave them refuge for over 2 years.

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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:49:10 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Shadowman311 @doctorsex @SettlerLife Very telling too that he went from enjoying the safe harbor of a free, high-performance website to adopting the same slander that his enemies use for people who extended so much friendship to him.

     Incredibly classless move

   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:50:19 JST SettlerLife

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     • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
     @Shadowman311 @doctorsex @WashedOutGundamPilot That shit right there was one of the most retarded things I have ever seen anyone do. Legitimately why the fuck could have not just go "hey twitter might be letting us on lets poke our heads in for a sec but keep building shit here if they kick us back off again? (spoiler they will)"
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   • Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:50:22 JST Shadowman311

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @doctorsex @SettlerLife That's the moment TRS died for me, McNabb's little spergout a few months ago cemented it for me
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:52:59 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 @doctorsex Like so much of what they did, it's because they absolutely hate dealing with anons online.

     Guys in the e-celeb sphere, at least the ones from the olden days before auto-moderation, got severely poisoned by the experience of skimming an unfiltered, severely critical comment section. Sven in particular carries an immense, knee-jerk rage at anything he feels even begins to resemble the faceless, irritating anon in all his forms.

   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:53:51 JST SettlerLife

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     @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @doctorsex Pretty much. Maybe it's because I was on the post gamergate chan refugee trail for so long that I'm just happy to have a somewhat stable home where I can post comfortably but I do not understand why people were so ready to trash this place.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:53:51 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 @doctorsex Yeah, I love it here.

   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:57:43 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     Even the ones who still manage to have a presence on there aren't doing anything with it. Go check out sven's twitter. Is he bringing in new people? Seeding "our" ideas in the public consciousness? What's rand up to on there? Getting in slap fights that will get him banned off again in a few weeks? Cool.
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   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:57:58 JST SettlerLife

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 @doctorsex See this I never get either. Once again might be bias from living on 4chan half my life but I noticed the second they'd get pushback that wasnt from some bluehair they'd fold. It was especially galling after seeing them talk all that hot shit about how "oh man if we weren't banned we'd rule the internet with our huge brain argument skills." Borzoi getting bullied off by Platinum and some measly hellthreads was one of the biggest disappointments I've seen bar none.
     "Oh no someone shit talked me for my personal stuff GG"
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   • Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:58:05 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 @doctorsex letting anons get to you and not ignoring them. NGMI
     He let people bait him and the anon and alogs all just watch as he threw hissy fits and burnt bridges with people that for the most part agrees with them.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:59:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SettlerLife @Shadowman311 @doctorsex It just builds up. I think there's something about it -

     I used to joke about my "Iron Law of Lolcows", that "anyone who puts themselves in front of a camera WILL have some degree of cow-dom within them" but it's largely true. The guys who put their face out their to "work" as streamers have a different type of ego, and they take double-damage from ego-based attacks. Normal, healthy people don't put themselves out there, so it seems alien to us.

   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:59:51 JST SettlerLife

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     @doctorsex @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot I see guys like showband and dissidentsoaps doing some good stuff. Why couldnt they just do shit like that and go "hey join our shit" while you're at it?
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   • Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:59:55 JST Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.

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     They were huffing their own farts about being the smartest guys out there with the best takes on everything- if you disagree with sven, it's because you hate White people.
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   • samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 12:07:29 JST samjay ganges

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     @SettlerLife @WashedOutGundamPilot @doctorsex @Shadowman311 This is my thought process.
     
     TRS was doing fairly well for a while, but subscribers gradually started to peter out. Then came the attack on payment processors, and that cut off an enormous number of subscribers. Only the truly dedicated fans would go through the trouble of sending in a money order.
     
     So this got them thinking. We don't have many subscribers left, how do we make up for the lost income from having fewer subscribers? Find a new way to get subscribers to spend more money.
     
     Thus, the NJP was born.
   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 12:07:29 JST SettlerLife

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     @samjayganges @WashedOutGundamPilot @doctorsex @Shadowman311 Yeah pretty much and if they were less faggoty with it there probably could have been some milage. Don't force the groups at gunpoint to do it. Make more freefag shit or get rid off the paywall stuff and generally try to have a feeder community to filter people in. Just be chill and help each other out.
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   • samjay ganges (samjayganges@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:53:21 JST samjay ganges

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     @KarlDahl @tyler @Shadowman311 Some guys drove half-way across the country to go to NJP protests and rallies. I knew of pool party leaders who drove hundreds of miles and spent 8+ hours driving around on weekends to vet new members. It is hard to find that level of commitment and sacrifice in people these days. Sure is a shame NJP/TRS squandered all that.
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     @samjayganges @KarlDahl @tyler @Shadowman311 @TrevorGoodchild Some guys drove half-way across the country to go to NJP protests and rallies. I knew of pool party leaders who drove hundreds of miles and spent 8+ hours driving around on weekends to vet new members. I drove half-way across the country, not to the useless NJP protests, but to both orbital flight tests of Elon Musk's SpaceX Starship at Starbase, TX.
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   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:53:22 JST Tyler

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     Personally I cannot fathom any serious people within that org to begin with
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     @tyler @Shadowman311 @samjayganges There are good people at the local pool party level
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     @samjayganges @Shadowman311 I suspect that serious people will arise from the ashes of this org. The smart move is to have independent local groups who network regionally to Do Stuff and to build that rather than worrying about a "national org." That always turns into a cash grab