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1. Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:53 JST Hoss Delgado
   There was a Mythbusters episode about this. The consensus was if you're not totally retarded and can get in contact with somebody on the radio they help you successfully guide it in.
   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:47 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hoss@shitpost.cloud Actually, it's probably closer to 3x less complex than a 737's (assuming, I've never flown a Boeing 737---it might not be more overall complex from a layout/switch point of view but a 737 definitely has like 2--3x the engine/flight controls).

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   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:49 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hoss@shitpost.cloud It's 2330 at night and you're on a red-eye flight. All cabin crew-members have died somehow and you volunteer to save the plane. You sit down at captain's station and put on the headset. How long do you think it will take for you to even know how to key up the microphone to announce your problem to ATC? Let's assume autopilot was on and you're not simultaneously tasked with maintaining straight-level flight because otherwise you're liable to over speed or stall the plane if you don't know what you're doing...or become spatially disoriented. By the way, this cockpit is about 2x as simple as a Boeing 737s.

   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:50 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hoss@shitpost.cloud But the larger and more complex an aircraft is the likelihood quickly deteriorates. Regarding your OP screenshot, that's a Boeing 737, I highly doubt some layperson could land that successfully.

   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:50 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hoss@shitpost.cloud The aircraft I fly go fast and are complex, a Boeing 737 is faster and more complex. They have to go fast just to fly, and must utilize things like leading edge devices, flaps, slats, etc. to slow down and still fly. And things like thrust reversers to stop. And then they're flying an angle of attack on speed down to touchdown. There's just no way.

   • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:51 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @Hoss@shitpost.cloud Entirely depends on the aircraft. My money would be on "no" unless they previously had some basic experience with a plane at some point in the past or had flown flight simulator games or something.

   • Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 17:29:52 JST Hoss Delgado

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     @adiz you're a pilot, what do you think? Could you help somebody who wasn't a pilot guide a plane down onto the runway safely, provided they had at least some baseline competence for following instructions?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:34:32 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Hoss @adiz This happens a lot, actually. Industry even had wife-courses that we'd shove couples into whenever the buyer looked just a little TOO fat and old.

     Now they've obviated that, Garmin's autoland is pretty popular these days on all the TBP's people buy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyLAL2KvFE

     It basically screams all over the frequencies to tell everyone to GTFO the way, then flies it on in all on its own. Graceful landing? Eh....plane probably won't make it out cheap if there's some good winds but you'll survive.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:35:57 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Hoss @Ricotta In reality all that would happen is that the guy would get on the horn and ask one of the many inevitable commuters in the back to come up. Even then, I'd bet the average comm kid could be a fine SIC if the captain is competent and relaxed. He can help w/ checklists, radios, which is basically all they do normally anyways

   • Ricotta :windmilloffriendship: (ricotta@yggdrasil.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:35:58 JST Ricotta :windmilloffriendship:

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     @Hoss I know enough about the subject that I could do it without guidance.
   • Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:35:58 JST Hoss Delgado

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     I imagine it's the ultimate dream of any flight sim autist to find themselves in the cliche situation where a flight attendant nervously asks if anybody on board knows how to fly a plane.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:38:32 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Hoss @adiz Only in the latest and greatest. The piper guys are very taciturn about what its limits are, every question I ask them is met with bland "well we'll have to get back to you on that, it probably exceeds our testing limits"

     IME most autopilots don't have that much power to them, I doubt they equip civil craft like this with something that has enough torque to make rapid, reactive adjustments inwinds over 15 kts or so, maybe even 10 if the winds are more than 30 deg off centerline. They're usually made to be overridden, tends to set the limit.

     But theoretically every normal category aircraft is survivable in a 26G crash or whatever, according to a boomer I knew

   • Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:38:33 JST Hoss Delgado

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     The Garmin can do it by itself in an emergency? That's pretty cool.
   • 🐦ulon :blobshp: (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:39:59 JST 🐦ulon :blobshp:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Hoss @adiz saw this the other day, really scary to think about and made me thankful for good ATCs https://youtu.be/uRluCHFaGx8
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 01:42:09 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @birdulon @Hoss @adiz People imagine cessnas blowing up in a fireball, but outside of a flat spin you really, REALLY have to work hard to get them to nose down really far. They just don't wanna do it no matter how much you push. Seems