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1. murph :amiga: (murph@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:46 JST murph :amiga:

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   • djinn & juice

   @ieure I wish I had thought of this rebuttal:
   https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1672257861-20221228.png

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:47 JST djinn & juice

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     (And miss me with that "jraphics" / "giraffics" nonsense unless you call the thing divers use to breathe underwater "scuh-bah")

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:48 JST djinn & juice

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     I'm not *happy* about Guix being pronounced "geeks," but my strident position that you should pronounce GIF the way the creator says[1] leaves me no choice.

     [1]: Steve Wilhite, who created the format, said it's pronounced "jif"[2], and you do not know better than he does.

     [2]: https://www.pcmag.com/news/gif-creator-sets-record-straight-its-pronounced-jif

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:49 JST djinn & juice

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     what the fuck

     > “Guix” is pronounced like “geeks”, or “ɡiːks” using the international phonetic alphabet (IPA).

     https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Introduction.html#DOCF1

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:50 JST djinn & juice

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     I looked into packaging a Matrix client, since that's another thing I use daily. It looks like it's going to be exceptionally difficult, since both the popular ones are webapps wrapped in Electron and almost none of the inevitable 10000 JS libs are in Guix already.

     FluffyChat uses a proprietary binary-only framework and build tool, so that's never going to make into Guix proper.

     Element uses yarn, which is open-source, but not packaged and seems challenging. Yarn docs recommend installing it via npm, which like, just.... sigh. Installing a package manager to install a package manager to install a library that does like "if (x > 0) { return true; }" is peak JavaScript brain.

     is this good
     i don't understand

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:50 JST djinn & juice

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     For comparison, I packaged *a whole browser* in an afternoon.

     It should not be more difficult to package the stuff that runs in a browser than the browser itself.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:51 JST djinn & juice

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     I haven't been complaining about Guix lately, because I've mostly figured out how stuff works, or can figure it out when stuff comes up.

     I submitted patches to add LibreWolf packages, which have been completely ignored, like most of the patches I've sent in. That's not great.

     But I can just... drop that code into my own channel and use it. Or fork the official Guix repo and add it and run my whole system off that instead. So I am, and that's honestly pretty nice.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:52 JST djinn & juice

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     Okay, I fixed the Xorg config, but it's disgusting and hacky because the extension mechanism for this is jank.

     But stuff scrolls the right way round now, and the video doesn't tear, and I have a package for LibreWolf that works.

     In the unlikely event that you care about any of this stuff, code is here: https://codeberg.org/ieure/atomized-guix

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:53 JST djinn & juice

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     I keep vacillating between "Guix rules, actually" and "what the fuck is this nonsense."

     I'm in the latter place today, as I found that an important part of the Scheme code doesn't work unless the path to the process it's running in ends in "bin/guix". This means that when you use Emacs and Geiser to run Guile to hack on Guix packages, it can't use any packages from any channel other than the default one.

     https://issues.guix.gnu.org/67290

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:53 JST djinn & juice

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     Broke my Guix config in a way that prevented X11 from starting. SSH'd into the box, ran `sudo guix system roll-back' and it gave me back the exact previous working setup.

     That's awesome as hell.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:54 JST djinn & juice

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     All this hacking to get the setup I want is definitely A Lot compared to more mainstream Linuxen. It's definitely not for everyone.

     But it's also awesome that the system lends itself to this kind of hackability, for those inclined.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:55 JST djinn & juice

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     Continued Guixposting:

     I have created a package for LibreWolf[1] which appears to more or less work. That's extremely cool.

     For this to be daily-driveable, I still need:

     A Matrix client. I looked at Fluffychat, but it depends on "Flutter," which is a proprietary/binary-only build tool/toolkit. This is probably a non-starter, not necessarily because I have objection to it being proprietery, but because it seems like pain-in-my-ass weirdware. So probably going to tackle Element instead -- it's what I normally use anyway.

     A working autofs setup. A good chunk of my NAS gets exported as NFS, which I use autofs to manage. There's an autofs package, but no way to configure it, so I'll be tackling some kind of service to do that.

     Some of my Emacs packages. These are stuck in code review. I might dump these into a personal channel in the meantime.

     [1]: LibreWolf is a fork of Firefox with all the ill-advised Mozilla Corporation junk removed; it will never, ever show an ad for Mozilla VPN. https://librewolf.net/

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:56 JST djinn & juice

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     More #Guix updates:

     I have 90% of my Emacs config ported to Guix Home and working well enough that I'm only setting my hair on fire a couple times an hour, instead of every 30 seconds.

     Packaged the rest of my weirdware.

     Packaged the Jellyfin MPV Shim, which is working well. Legit really nice experience here, had to package three deps as well, it all took less than an hour.

     Haven't set up the channel properly yet, but, soon.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:56 JST djinn & juice

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     My daily driver is using Jellyfin MPV Shim from Flatpak and it is so, so much nicer not to have to deal with that stuff.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:57 JST djinn & juice

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     Some of this stuff, I thought literally nobody would have use for. So it's flattering that it was useful enough for someone to package.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:58 JST djinn & juice

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     I have been told that I can solve my problem with these fonts by using something called a "computed origin," which is completely undocumented and (based on multiple responses saying "it's impossible to do this") not well-known.

     This despite it being used for icecat, the least ridiculous browser Guix has packaged.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:58 JST djinn & juice

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     Okay, still Guixing over here. I'm making packages for my Emacs Weirdware, and it's honestly really delightful that five of the 19 things already have official Guix packages.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:08:59 JST djinn & juice

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     There's a special thing for handling fonts, you basically need ~20 lines of boilerplate to fetch an archive with the .ttf files in, and this code does the rest.

     Input Mono is gratis for personal use, but if you publish anything that uses it, you need to pay for a license. It's not freely redistributable.

     Not freely redistributable shouldn't be a problem! Guix will download the fonts when someone requests an install, which isn't redistribution.

     Except.

     The hash of the .zip of the fonts is different every time you download it. I don't know why, but the actual .ttf files are ~6 bytes different in every download. Doesn't seem like enough data for it to be a fingerprint, but, maybe?

     Guix has a strong focus on reproduceability, you have to provide the hash of any source material. Which you cannot do if the source material is different every download.

     I asked for help, it seems like it's literally impossible to handle this, unless I download a copy and host it elsewhere, then point Guix at that and give it the hash.

     Which is redistribution, which is against the license.

     So I can either placate Guix by violating the license, or switch my preferred font.

     Awful.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:00 JST djinn & juice

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     Alright, so, I'm trying to get Guix into a comfortable, daily-driveable state. This is going to involve packaging some large things that aren't currently in Guix, like Librewolf, my preferred web browser.

     I suspect that's going to be a lot.

     I decided to start with something simple: my preferred text editor font, Input Mono.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:01 JST djinn & juice

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     But, so, yeah. I can't change how one key on my keyboard works because some third-party software package is broken, even though that has literally nothing to do with the change I want to make.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:01 JST djinn & juice

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     Okay, I got some help from #nonguix on Libera, turns out, the System Crafters install image I was using pinned the nonguix channel to a specific commit, and that commit was either broken or had an implicit dependency on the stock guix channel which caused breakage.

     Removed the pin and I was able to reconfigure the system. This took several hours, since it downloaded hundreds of megs of... something... and compiled the whole Linux kernel.

     But, I have a caps lock key that works like control, which means I can type on this laptop without immediately becoming enraged.

     I am not sure it should be so difficult to change one keyboard layout setting.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:02 JST djinn & juice

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     So like, I more or less understand what the error is saying, but unfortunately, it gave zero information to help me identify the code causing it.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:03 JST djinn & juice

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     The error I get when I run `guix pull` doesn't tell me anything helpful about what's wrong:

     building /gnu/store/zlsavr3sd9wl8i9l9ps0hpk1j0wjkak6-nonguix.drv...
     |builder for `/gnu/store/zlsavr3sd9wl8i9l9ps0hpk1j0wjkak6-nonguix.drv' failed to produce output path `/gnu/store/sailxjc3lnd9rylm2x9795x0j0cgcgxl-nonguix'
     build of /gnu/store/zlsavr3sd9wl8i9l9ps0hpk1j0wjkak6-nonguix.drv failed
     View build log at '/var/log/guix/drvs/zl/savr3sd9wl8i9l9ps0hpk1j0wjkak6-nonguix.drv.gz'.
     cannot build derivation `/gnu/store/imiaxn32kiv9fdifqgajmm7ggpf8b100-profile.drv': 1 dependencies couldn't be built
     guix pull: error: build of `/gnu/store/imiaxn32kiv9fdifqgajmm7ggpf8b100-profile.drv' failed

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:03 JST djinn & juice

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     And the build log it mentions is /two lines long/ and states in full:

     (repl-version 0 1 1)
     (exception unbound-variable (value #f) (value "Unbound variable: ~S") (value (linux-libre-6.4)) (value #f))

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:04 JST djinn & juice

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     First thing driving me up the wall: The caps lock key is acting as the caps lock key (wrong, bad) instead of the control key (pure, good), so I can't type anything without scrabbling at the keyboard like a helpless squirrel.

     Changing this one setting requires reconfiguring the entire system. In case I changed something else completely different at the same time, I guess.

     Reconfiguring the system requires running `guix pull`, so it knows about the nonguix channel that has the kernel that supports WiFi.

     I can't pull because something in nonguix is broken. I have no idea what, or whether I could fix it if I did.

     So I keep waiting a day or so and retrying `guix pull` in the hopes that someone has noticed that this is broken, and fixes it, and then I can configure my keyboard.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:05 JST djinn & juice

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     Okay, so. I was able to log into the Guix install on this laptop, because I reset my password after logging into a virtual terminal as root, which I was allowed to do with no password whatsoever, despite the installer asking me for a root password.

     So, uh.... be aware of that, I guess.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:06 JST djinn & juice

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     Okay, I installed again, but I don't know if WiFi works or not, because I can't log in.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:06 JST djinn & juice

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     That's enough Guix for today.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:07 JST djinn & juice

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     Oh, I see. The instructions for actually using the installer[1] -- which aren't mentioned in the repo containing the installer images[2], much less linked from it -- tells me that, during the last step of the install process, I have to switch to another virtual terminal and hand-edit the configuration. And if you don't do that, you get a probably-unusable install.

     Awesome, great.

     [1]: https://systemcrafters.net/craft-your-system-with-guix/full-system-install/
     [2]: https://github.com/SystemCrafters/guix-installer

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:08 JST djinn & juice

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     Why do I keep pushing this particular boulder up this particular hill? It comes down to a few things:

     - I think packaging stuff for Guix is easier than other distros. At least, there's a huge package-to-contributor ratio I've never seen in other distros, and it has a ton of software for a relatively new (and very niche) distro.
     - All the packaging and system config is in Scheme, and I like Lisps.
     - The way you can create profiles of installed software obviates the need for language-specific version & environment manager tools. When the distro natively supports installing/running multiple versions of things side-by-side, you don't have to care about crap like rbenv, nvm, or pyenv.
     - It's very easy to host your own package repo. It's very difficult to host a Debian package repo.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:08 JST djinn & juice

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     ...it had WiFi during the install, but the installer installed Linux-Libre, so it has no WiFi after the install. Fixing that requires an internet connection.

     I don't know what I expected.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:09 JST djinn & juice

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     This time, I'm starting with the forbidden System Crafters install image, which ships with the firmware needed to use WiFi.

     ...it still tells you it won't work, but that's a lie.

   • djinn & juice (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 12:09:10 JST djinn & juice

     I am, once again, attempting to use Guix.