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wtf i didn't even read the instruction and just hit "next" to everything and it is done? (I should probably go over what i did)
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@FrailLeaf Based openbsd
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@Zerglingman soon we shall serve everything from openbsd, brother mashallah
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@neko nigga is writing WALLS of text. Thanks pal. I'm already getting a hang of what openbsd can do and I think its growing on me. Lol well even if it can't run Java, i don't think I am not too worried about it. I want to get back into C and Go and change career path. I am sick and tired of microservice niggerware, it feels like fake and gay software
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@FrailLeaf Yeah for that its just outright incredible, mainly programming wise. You can do programming for any BSD just fine. Tmux, mg (small emacs clone), pf firewall (one of the best firewalls out there actually), OpenSSH, and stuff are actually stock openbsd tools if youre that kind of guy. Coding is on par if not better sometimes than Linux, esp with great documentation (but thats just C). All the bsd's come with Clang by default over gcc.
Java is installed sir no doubt, but i have found just a few Java sir libraries in my life that are "portable" (windows, mac, linux only) and sometimes for stupid reasons like simply doing an OS check for "Linux" before doing "Unix" things. In your case likely not if ever is this an issue (ive only found it to be a freebsd issue actually, as some java libraries like lwjgl3 are sanely ported already so people can play Minecraft on openbsd), and the latter case is a sign of a shit java library that probably calls the sh executable or other retarded shit that shouldnt depend on "Linux", you can even fake it too thanks to java env stuff, which sometimes even works. If it can play Minecraft natively then you'll be all good for java programming
The steam thing is funny though, Openbsd doesnt support 32 bit compat on 64 bit cpus (for very good reason), but the only notable software that comes to mind is Steam. Why they are still 32 bit in the year of our lord 2023 and now 2024 is far beyond me. Just keep windows for games, it all works.
Anyway yeah just learn, peep docs, unlike Linux youll never tack onto shit like Stackoverflow, everything is clean and documented and community is helpful if you have a question that manpages and stuff don't answer. Learn tools like fdisk and disklabel (they work together) if you want to dual boot, wscons (the xfce port is very well done and youll probably never actually touch wscons, still good to know) and those other "different" things. I just apropos, whatis, and man all the time when learning the OS, but sometimes web searches help :happyday: Its my favorite OS alongside Linux, expect the rambling
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@neko okay yeah this sounds good, my aim for OpenBSD is for programming and web surfing primarily. I'll enjoy the game74 file set (comedy), but yeah if i can run steam then its a bonus but i don't really care about it and I do gaming on windows anyway.
Yeah I think i'll prototype my desktop on qemu and then migrate it to native install. Sounds like fun to me, the documentation also reads very nicely.
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@neko interesting, so with bsd i should have a much better experience overall. I wonder, how desktop friendly is it? I see there's a section on X, can i just install xfce, browsers and start shitposting on fedi?
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@FrailLeaf If you want a desktop experience, OpenBSD is definitely more of a niche/acquired taste, and most people who use it often use window managers like cwm but there are XFCE users. FreeBSD definitely is much better like an "all-rounder", i imagine you may like it a little bit more since its more welcoming to Linux users and it has a little more work on stuff like drivers and compatibility with stuff likr 32 bit, wine, and linux compat (barely, but technically works with Steam too). It also supports ZFS, a very damn good filesystem, maybe one of the best even compared against btrfs
IMO if you really want a solid desktop experience, dual boot Linux or Windows (& Linux) alongside a bsd of your choice. I try to do almost everything in a BSD because i love how snappy and stable and consistent it is :happyday:, but Linux is for games and stuff and Windows is for testing software and some games for me. The BSDs are my programming and web browsing/email OS aka productive stuff, because they do that just about perfectly.
Oh one more niche about the bsd's. Some of the best damn package management systems in my life. They all use the ports system, which is like from source compiling, but they also have binary package management, pkg fbsd, pkg_add + friends obsd, pkgin nbsd
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@FrailLeaf For openbsd, check the FAQ on the site, its like a mini handbook in the sense. OpenBSD *heavily* encourages manpages (arguably some of the best documentation for any OS out there), but the FAQ is a good "get started" for people warming up. In the bsd world though manpages are always pretty damn fine, openbsd and netbsd have the best ones, freebsds are pretty good but they focus more on the "handbook" but net/open focus a TON more on man page quality.
Contrast to Linux though? Same situation as git, horribly verbose and shit documentation, rarely even incomplete ive found. Youd think the bigger OS would have better documentation but even Windows has better documentation than Linux
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cc @neko hey cunny guy throw me some fun bsd links
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@neko @FrailLeaf
>rarely even incomplete ive found
best when it admits it
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@neko @FrailLeaf the openbsd manpages are some of the best documentation ever
there are no linux manpages they all suck
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