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1. TruthSandwich (truthsandwich@toad.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 05:55:45 JST TruthSandwich

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   • kravietz 🦇

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   After Ukraine defeats Russia, one of the concessions would be to allow any "Russian" child to be DNA-tested and for them to have the right to ask for one. It might take decades, yes.

   • Christi Junior (christijunior@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 05:55:45 JST Christi Junior

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     • kravietz 🦇
     @TruthSandwich @kravietz >After Ukraine defeats Russia, one of the concessions would be to allow any "Russian" child to be DNA-tested and for them to have the right to ask for one.
     
     Holy shit, you're such a delusional fucking retard....
   • kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 05:55:47 JST kravietz 🦇

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     @TruthSandwich

     I also thought about it, but this doesn’t remove the fundamental barrier raised by Russians - access to the kids. Those with fake birth certificates have now disappeared in Russia and if you can’t find them, you can’t even request a DNA test. That was the purpose of the fake birth certificates in the first place, and you can expect full Russian red tape here. The only chance is that in 20 years when they grow up, they will do a commercial DNA test and find out accidentally.

   • TruthSandwich (truthsandwich@toad.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 05:55:48 JST TruthSandwich

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     • kravietz 🦇

     @kravietz

     Two words: DNA. Tests.

   • kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 05:55:49 JST kravietz 🦇
     Journalists from #Russia channel "Volya" published a long investigation about what happens to #Ukraine children deported by Russian occupational administration to Russia:
     
     https://telegra.ph/Vashi-deti--gosudarstven...
     
     I haven't read it whole yet, but probably the most shocking practice described is when Russian authorities issue a completely new, fake birth certificates for toddlers and children under 5 before giving them away to foster families. This makes it practically impossible for their actual parents to even find their children abducted by Russians — their children simply cease to exist in Russian legal system and acquire an entirely new identity, new "previous parents", new birthplace etc.
     
     While some children have returned from Russia to Ukraine, the process is extremely difficult and Russians made everything to ensure it doesn't happen to often. Parents in Ukraine applying for return of their children need to precisely specify their children's location in Russia, address and other details, which is usually only possible with teenagers who are able to find their parents and give then that information, because Russian authorities won't.
     
     However inhumane that sounds, it seems like the resource most looted from Ukraine by Russia wasn't tractors and grain. Russia treats the captured children entirely instrumentally, like some kind of war trophy, which seems to match pretty well their current fixation on demographic decline which resulted in abortion bans and a number of other cargo cult measures.