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1. ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:10 JST ≠

   The sad reality is that very few Republican and Democratic officials or candidates agree on the state of the country or what the actual problems are that we face. More importantly, they do not have shared goals for what our community or nation ought to be.

   https://www.realclearpennsylvania.com/articles/2023/11/15/the_parties_have_irreconcilably_different_visions_for_america_992964.html

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:02 JST ≠

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
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     • BroDrillard

     @niclas @caekislove @BroDrillard

     Interesting. The funny part in the end is that if we had to pick a group to successfully run nuclear power plants, it would be the Swedes.

     Then again, I think we are in a difficult valley between discovering a technology and making it really work well.

     Boiling steam with splitting atoms to drive turbines is almost like a satire of Victorian technology teleported into the future.

     Machismo repeated this.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:05 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     • BroDrillard

     @caekislove

     Good point about "naming".

     In Swedish, it was initially "Atomvapen" (Atom Weapons) and "Kärnkraft" (Nuclear Power), but in the 60s/70s, they first tried with "Atom Power, No Thanks!", but that didn't catch on, so later shifted to rename "Atomvapen" to "Kärnvapen", and hammering that term in over a generation, it was easier to convince people of "Nuclear Power, No Thanks" and in 1980, the Referendum was 3 choices, and all 3 was "Shut Them Down"

     @BroDrillard @amerika

   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:06 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     • BroDrillard
     @amerika @BroDrillard They've always muddied the waters between nuclear bombs (which most people would like fewer of) and nuclear power (which most people want more of).
   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:07 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     • BroDrillard
     @amerika @BroDrillard With all of these "foundations" to launder money it's always hard to say who exactly is funding what.
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:07 JST ≠

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     • BroDrillard

     @caekislove @BroDrillard

     I remember Leftist NGOs in the 1980s being very anti-nuclear.

   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:08 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     • BroDrillard
     @BroDrillard @amerika Back in the day I knew some guys from Earth First and they always said that mainstream environmentalist groups were funded by big oil, which was why they have always been anti-nuke. Makes sense, really. I think these days they're mainly commies who realize that commieism can't compete with capitalism and are trying to bring it down using "climate change" as an excuse.
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:08 JST ≠

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
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     @caekislove @BroDrillard

     In my view, big oil is less manipulative than people think.

     They pay for research results and cultivate friendly relationships with journalists.

     The rest is Hollywood stuff.

     Big Oil is also rarely the same people year to year.

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:09 JST ≠

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

     @caekislove

     This does not strike me as wrong. Conservatives want to go back to the last good time, which is relative, but Leftists want Utopia which requires destroying reality.

     Either way, I say we should go ahead with new energy technologies and find a way to make them less psycho.... but let's not forget nuclear, and that O&G work really well in certain areas.

   • BroDrillard (brodrillard@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:09 JST BroDrillard

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

     If greens were about green, they’d support nuclear power because that’s the greenest when you take alternatives in their entirety into account. Their opposition to nuclear power makes it clear they’re anti-civilization.

     In addition their funding is likely from elites moneyed scum that want to reduce (White) population.

   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:10 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     @amerika Even if wind and solar were nonpolluting (SPOILER ALERT: They aren't), why are Democrats fine with the lights going out and all the ventilators in the hospitals shutting down every time there's a relatively windless night? The only difference in "vision" between the two parties is the GOP wants to turn back time to the 2000's and the Democrats want to destroy human civilization as we know it.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:52 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
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     @amerika

     I live ~30km from a nuclear plant, that was closed ~20 years ago due to that referendum.

     I still remember it being built in the early 1970s (my best friend's dad was part of construction crew) and back then (cheap oil) they said there was no point in using the excess heat, and instead just heat up the ocean, rather than hot water pipes to the nearby towns, which today would have been a massive benefit (district heating networks exist in all towns).

     @caekislove @BroDrillard

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:38:59 JST Machismo

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     @amerika THIS IS VERY OBVIOUSLY FALSE: BOTH MAJOR AMERICAN PARTIES AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON PUTTING ISRAEL FIRST
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2023 21:40:26 JST Machismo

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     • Machismo
     @amerika THEY ALSO BOTH AGREE ON DRAGGING WHITE MEN INTO FOREVER WARS TO GRIND THEM UP