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1. Δ∇Δ∇Δ∇Δ (fiddle@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 01:21:48 JST Δ∇Δ∇Δ∇Δ
   
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 01:21:47 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Fiddle I buy it. You didn’t hear it from me but there are more than a few guys who are deferring would-be issues because they’re terrified of losing their jobs if they get caught out on it. AFAIK you could just go to a non-affiliated doc and get checked out, and as long as they don’t file anything with the FAA they don’t know (probably illegal and endangering your ticket somehow though), but they refuse, hoping to hobble along to retirement.

     Despite the fact that most airline guys are fat as shit they DO have to pass pretty frequent med exams to be able to fly, sure the standards aren’t super lofty but there’re plenty of washouts on the fringes of the industry just getting by after a bum diagnosis. With how bad the industry is dying for experienced CA’s I totally get how word perfuses throughout every capillary of aerospace to get people to pass off iffy ECG’s as long as the guy doesn’t look like he’ll keel over in the next year. I’ve seen pretty laid back docs.

     https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/standards/

     https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/exam_tech/item36/amd/arrhythmias/

   • :cornbread_going_goblin_mode: Elfie :nafo: (elfie@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 01:22:07 JST :cornbread_going_goblin_mode: Elfie :nafo:

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     @Fiddle cc @WashedOutGundamPilot you're gonna make all the flies in the US now :anubis_hype:
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 01:27:37 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Fiddle LIke I worked with this dude once who was in his 50’s and said he’d get insane “cluster headaches”, and the more he described them the more I thought he probably has a brain anyeurism just waiting to blow. Instead of doing anything about it he just kept shrugging me off, saying “no, it’s probably just the coffee”

     From his POV, he could walk into that dr office, get a scan ordered, and get a letter from the FAA telling him that he’s no longer allowed to work at his $450,000/year job. It’s understandable when he’s got a family to feed. So he’s just holding out, hoping to get a couple more years out of it until he hits the legally-mandated 65 yo retirement age (which could very well be increased, we have a severe shortage of capable captain stock, low military output and 9/11 killed off 2 generations of flight training)

   • Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies (rupertvonripp@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 01:31:16 JST Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Fiddle Let's be honest none of us would go to a doctor over a "maybe" that could jeopardize our capacity to feed the fam.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 06:27:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @not_br549 @RupertvonRipp @Fiddle They’re dying off more than usual, I hear the union’s ‘in memoriams’ stopped getting print when people started sending them around in 2021. I don’t have much of a good line though, all my 121 friends are older, more complacent types who don’t have it in them to look out for this stuff, so they tend to ignore it. Not too many in-cockpit deaths, since it’s pretty much sedentary work, and their 1st class med tends to screen for anyone right on the precipice. Most are dying at home, or doing stuff on their own time instead of dying on the flight deck.

     It’s interesting how it’s a total death sentence after 9/11. If you slump over in that seat, that’s it. They ain’t opening for anyone to do chest compressions or defib ya, even the jumpseater will just sit and watch you die until it’s time to move your body out of the way to get to the tiller.

   • Jolly Rancher (not_br549@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 06:27:47 JST Jolly Rancher

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     @RupertvonRipp @WashedOutGundamPilot @Fiddle All of the above may be true, pilots are older now, training has declined with the empire's fading military power, but those effects should be happening over a long time interval. A decade of them dying off.
     
     But the last couple of years, we have had dozens of 'dropped dead while flying' events, and they have been synchronized with the vax mandates. Month or two after the jab, and somebody else has to land the plane.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 07:04:34 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @not_br549 @RupertvonRipp @Fiddle What’s funny is how many of the new iterations of expensive private aircraft are including autoland. For years, it’s been a thing for rich older guys to buy a king air or a baron and put their wife through a week of copilot training so she at least had a chance of landing once he had a heart attack.

     Now, they just have autoland capability (theoretically) worked in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyLAL2KvFE

     There has been a lot of shit tossed on the pilots who were open about their anger with the system. I’m not sure if there’re lawsuits or not, but I think american had a dispute with some pilots because they’d banned anyone using lanyards for the freedom-pilot whatever group pushing back on company mandate. They’re happy to let the flight attendants fly pedo/nig/troon flags in all their stuff, but the second you have a single anti-mandate sticker they tell you you can’t work until you throw it in the garbage.

     Who knows what the overall vax rate is though, off the top of my head I’m not sure if I have a 121 buddy who actually got it, they all put in their exemptions if I remember right (likely lying for a couple)

   • Jolly Rancher (not_br549@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Jan-2023 07:04:35 JST Jolly Rancher

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @RupertvonRipp @Fiddle Well, thanks for the insight, I am not a pilot. Those 'passenger lands plane' stories are extremely rare, even now, but they make the news.
     I suppose that only happens in private planes now. .
     
     But occasionally I see a comment in social media or in places like Juan Browne's 'blancolirio' channel. From someone who's keeping a list.