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1. 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧 (turkleton@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:19:17 JST 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧
   This FUCKING HOUSE NEEDS SO MUCH WORK AAAAHHHHHHHHH
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:19:59 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Turkleton When you buy it:

     “aww heck yes, these classic appliances are good old school pieces. They should last a lifetime”

     2 years in:

     “shit why’s everything breaking down at the same time!??!!”

   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:16:26 JST teknomunk

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     @SapientPearwood @Turkleton @WashedOutGundamPilot
     
     I was having a similar conversation with the garage door repairman last week. The drive gears for the lift motors are all plastic, so they shred the gears. Wouldn't be a problem if the gears were made of metal, but that would increase the price significantly, since the gears would have to be machined instead of injection molded.
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   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:16:27 JST SapientPearwood

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     I remember a family member buying a new Kitchenaid mixed thinking that it would still be sturdy as hell like they used to be, I warned them but they didn't really believe me.
     
     About a year later they contacted me asking why I'd said it would break fast because it had just broken and I had to explain again that they're using plastic gears instead of cast metal like the old ones used.
     
     Almost all new appliances have been made to fail sooner so the company can keep making money. If you do want stable you have to go back to the 70s or before to find stuff that was actually built to last. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:17:06 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @teknomunk @SapientPearwood @Turkleton They always sell you on poly gears because “they’re sacrificial, it’s cheaper because the gears will blow before the more expensive motor does!”

     meanwhile the old systems just chugged through the resistance regardless

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:03 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SapientPearwood @Paultron @Turkleton Why do you think they’re in a hurry to replace everything?

     Maintaining I/T and phone comms infrastructure? Nah, replace it all w/ wireless modems

     Keep up the nuke plants and ensure they don’t blow the coal vessels? Nah, just replace it w/ windmills and panels

     Doctors having to use their own judgement? Nope, give ‘em a computerized flow chart and replace the fully nigged apparatus with AI “assistants” (overseers)

   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:04 JST SapientPearwood

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     I think the lights going out and not coming back for a good while is closer than most believe. I truly believe when the last of Boomers retire shit is going to get rough, really rough, because of all of the knowledge they will be taking with them that simply isn't known by the people replacing them. Maybe I'll be wrong I hope I am, but I forsee a shitshow.
   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:05 JST Paultron-3030

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     @SapientPearwood @Turkleton @WashedOutGundamPilot not to doomsay but everything comes to an end at some point. including modern logistics and commercial economy.
     
     one day the lights will go out and not come back on again. i wonder what the people who deal with it will look like.
   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:06 JST Paultron-3030

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     @Turkleton @SapientPearwood @WashedOutGundamPilot i fear that with the rise of disposable, plastic tools and shitty all-electric appliances that a baseline, low level knowledge of maintenance is being lost in our population
     
     i see it already with these kids fresh out of engineering school my work has me try to train up. trying to fix everything by pushing the latest software patch or running the debugger without any thought to how things are bolted together and whether the machine's basic needs have been met physically to operate
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   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:06 JST SapientPearwood

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     Man, I've personally seen how maintenance of all kinds is completely lost on a lot of even my generation (I'm in my 30s). Hell, I went to buy supplies to make some homemade wine out of the muscadines that we had tons of this year and my wife, my closest friends, and a few online friends all were amazed that you could actually make wine at home. There have been tons of things over the past few years that have had similar reactions from them and it never fails to shock me how little people know now. They all think you have to have specialized knowledge to do what used to be normal everyday things.
     
     Shit, when I started repairing electronics about 10 years ago it wasn't easy but it was doable. Now it is incredibly difficult, with some products bordering on impossible, because of changes that the manufacturers have made so that it is harder and not worth repairing devices now so they get money off of people constantly buying new. It's fucked.
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   • 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧 (turkleton@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:07 JST 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧

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     @SapientPearwood @WashedOutGundamPilot I have had my grandpa's saw forever and it still cuts fine. He gave that to my dad in USSR lol
   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:07 JST SapientPearwood

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     I've got a bunch of my grandfather's tools too. I remember when my mom gave them to me, after my grandfather died, I was shocked at hoe different they were compared with modern tools. They were definitely built to last a lifetime.
     
     Same for my mother's Kitchenaid mixer that she gave me. It was built last. I find myself looking for products built to last now instead of just buying whatever is the cheapest.
   • 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧 (turkleton@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:19:07 JST 🌧🌲Turkleton Pupptarr🌲🌧

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     @SapientPearwood @WashedOutGundamPilot Jfc man new chainsaws are terrible and they actually sell electric lawn mower now hahaha
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:20:08 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SapientPearwood @Turkleton Still grumpy the girls in my fam gave all my stuff away while I was abroad. They thought they were doing me a favor tossing “all of grandma’s old crap” and replacing it w/ cutesy new shit

     One old kitchenaid mixer went to the thrift store that day, among other treasures.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:21:53 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SapientPearwood @Paultron @Turkleton One of the kids in my fam is trying to figure out microsoldering at 13 yo, wants to have that skill in his pocket.

     There’s some hope out there. Hell, I have one young teen cousin who has more cash than I do, takes the right opportunities and he has no bills, lil bastard is sitting on almost $20k in paper

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:22:24 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @teknomunk @SapientPearwood @Turkleton Soon enough they’ll sell you on powdered, sintered print metal gears as an upgrade

   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:22:26 JST SapientPearwood

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     It's so odd to me that we used to make the gears out of metal for reasonable prices but suddenly that isn't doable anymore, according to the companies that make them, without causing huge price increases. Almost like they're lying but no, couldn't be.
   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:22:26 JST teknomunk

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     The industrial base has been destroyed. It would be a massive price increase because it would require expanding CNC capacity instead of using existing, but idle, capacity. CNC machine tools are not cheap.
   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:25:32 JST SapientPearwood

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     Oh man, new chainsaws piss me off so badly. I absolutely hate the new pieces of shit my stepfather has bought, he always wants the new thing, because they just suck.
     
     The electric lawn mowers have always been laughable to me. We live in the country and have big swathes of land to mow, big enough that it will take at least one tank of gas if not more depending on the grass height, and sometimes the grass is so thick that it bogs down our zero-turn mower. I can't imagine trying to use those piece of shit electric mowers.
     
     About the best electric product I've seen for yard care is my mother's electric weed eater but the problem that you run into with that is to weed eat a house that sits on a 1½ acre plot it will take 3 fully charged batteries. To do the main property it takes about 15-20 fully charged batteries. I still prefer gas weedeaters because of that but my mother, who has never been able to crank anything with a pull string, loves the electric weedeater despite its downside.
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   • Dr.AlbinoMutant PHD Critical Zionist Studies (albinomutant@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:25:49 JST Dr.AlbinoMutant PHD Critical Zionist Studies

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     @Turkleton @SapientPearwood @WashedOutGundamPilot i have my dads black and decker drill. Its so old it was made in Canada. Its absolutely indestructible
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:27:12 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Paultron @Turkleton @SapientPearwood I have a buddy high up in the dept at one of the manufacturers, he’s been trying to make it so they only accept people w/ experience in actual shop work, almost totally given up on engineering majors because they lack IRL experience.

     Bloody knuckles only

   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:27:26 JST teknomunk

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @SapientPearwood @Turkleton Use a $3 thermistor, a $5 relay and a 10¢ replaceable fuse to protect the motor and it will keep working for years without issue until the brushes need replacing (for a few dollars).
     
     Instead, we have a $70 "sacrificial" gear assembly.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:28:27 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SapientPearwood @Turkleton They meant well, in their minds I only jumped at taking on all the grandparents’ stuff out of guilt. They didn’t realize I actually wanted it.

     It’s fine, there are more olds in the family happy to offload their stuff, and despite my advice nobody listens about how much better it all is.

   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:28:28 JST SapientPearwood

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     I would have been mad enough to never speak with them again. No joke.
   • SapientPearwood (sapientpearwood@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:30:03 JST SapientPearwood

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     Microsoldering is a good skill to pick up, the sooner he does it the better. It took me a bit to get the hang of it but now they have little kits meant to help you practice.
     
     One piece of advice I would give is to get a damned good soldering iron. I chose a Hakko FX731d when I was looking for a good base station that would last me forever and I haven't regretted the purchase once despite the initial high price point (it was $350 when I bought it years and year ago). Having a good iron base station makes a world of difference. Same goes for hot air stations, they are significantly more expensive for a nice one though. Think $800 or over for a good brand.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 01:31:15 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SapientPearwood @Paultron @Turkleton I’ve told the parents to hold off until it proves a wise investment, start the kid off on a $150 affinity before buying a custom shop stratocaster and all.

     If he can achieve baseline competence then it’s worthy of investment, though he’ll probably buy it on his own in no time.