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1. Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 07:19:01 JST Shadowman311
   Your average luddite/unironic Ted K supporter doesn't understand what it would mean if Modern Medicine went away, or if we gave up modern technology in general. That is until their wife dies during childbirth because without modern medicine, that just randomly happens and you really can't do anything about it, and their kids die of strep throat. And they suddenly get diagnosed with cancer that would have been detectable in the early stages if they just had access to a hospital.
   
   The problem with modernity isn't the tech itself, it's who controls it. And anyone saying otherwise couldn't survive in the world they pretend to want to create.
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   • Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 10:59:06 JST Shadowman311

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     • SettlerLife
     @SettlerLife The problem is that all those anprims have done is think about it, they haven't experienced it themselves, some stark decision like that might seem palatable in your mind, but fast forward a couple decades and you're burying half your family because of some once preventable disease and you will think differently. I bet Communism looked pretty damn good to your average Tsarist factory worker as well, probably thought it through as best as they were able, and then the purges started.
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   • SettlerLife (settlerlife@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 10:59:07 JST SettlerLife

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     @Shadowman311 What happened to Borzoi and his misso was a bit of a stark lesson for a few on that one.
     At the end of the day though a lot of Anprims and what have you have sat down and looked long and hard at it and gone "yes this means a lot of super shitty preventable stuff happens and yes that means me too, still got to oppose it".
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:09:51 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Anime Wong
     • Festive Bunny

     @Bunny @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Phone in every pocket: Bad

     Phone in every Kitchen: Good

     Computer in every bedroom: bad

     Computer in every living room: good

     Kinda seems like keeping tech at the family level adds essential levels of structure to keep things from getting out of hand

   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:09:56 JST Anime Wong

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     @Shadowman311 Popular opinion is that Ted was a Luddite, but I'm not sure how completely true that is. Ted seemed to be against something that's hard to put to words but easy to observe. We as humans have natural instincts and emotions driven by our environment. What looks best on a spread sheet doesn't always jive well with our emotional health and instincts, which gets ignored with increasing frequency. Society is like a zoo, and while it can provide food and water and medicine and shelter, it's ill equipped to handle the psychological needs of humans it encloses. So humans don't reproduce, they are suicidal, they are depressed, they are lonely, and they hate themselves.
   • Festive Bunny (bunny@comfyboy.club)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:09:56 JST Festive Bunny

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     • Anime Wong
     @Elliptica @Shadowman311 It’s more of an anarchist manifesto in that sense. It’s more about a revolt against civilization, not machines. Even Ted said there’s nothing wrong with the telephone, but the society the telephone creates is worse. There may be a core of arguable truth to what he’s saying, and we should keep it in mind going forward when we assume control of society, but the ideas have been picked up and run away with by a gaggle of retards.
     I don’t think Ted would say “technology bad, therefore women should die in childbirth” but a lot of his followers might.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:18:29 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Anime Wong
     • Festive Bunny

     @pyrate @Bunny @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Most of us are, which is why I say we’ll end up producing a better class of men. Just like how our grandfathers smoked a ton but refused to let that habit pass down to us

     We’ll hopefully be the last circumcised generation, in more ways than one.

   • pyrate : sleigh captain (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 00:18:30 JST pyrate : sleigh captain

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     It's so over
     I'm wired in too deep.
     Cannot unplug.