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1. nugger (nugger@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:52:50 JST nugger
   NIBBAS WILL INSIST THAT THEIR AR OF CHOICE MUST DO 1MOA
   AND ITS A GREAT ENGINEERING CHALLENGE TO MAKE ONE, ITS VERY COOL
   BUT THE DISPERSION AN AVERAGE BOOT PRODUCES UNDER DURESS OF A FIREFIGHT IS FUCKING 20MOA
   AND THE OPPONENT PRESENTS HIS SOFT GUBBINS AS A TARGET A COUPLE SECONDS AT A TIME BETWEEN PIECES OF COVER
   SO A MODERN ENGAGEMENT IS EITHER WW2 SMG BUNKER RAID OR ITS TWO RETARDS FIRING IN ONE ANOTHERS DIRECTION BLINDLY FOR THIRTY MINUTES UNTIL AMMO RUNS OUT OR SOMEONE CALLED IN SOME SORT OF FIRE SUPPORT, ARTY OR CAS OR WHATEVER
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:52:49 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @nugger I’ve been saying for a while that the reason they want the Spear™® is that it’s simply NOT an AR15. They hate the american rifleman and his culture, and arming up their negroid legions with something that doesn’t look too much like the “weapon of slaughter, the assault rifle fifteen” is a way to distinguish themselves from us.

     Someday, when they end up using it against us, it’ll give their 80 IQ 3rd world recruits a morale boost to hear that “your 6.8mm round is WAY better than those shitty bigots’ puny 5.56 trash!”

     Anyways chegg this tummy from the old days when the army still had an inkling of how to raise morale

   • nugger (nugger@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:52:50 JST nugger

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     >WE'RE GONNA MAKE A COOLER MORE PRECISE LONGER RANGE GUN
     >THE 6.8MM PLUS A SMART LPVO WILL ALLOW THE RIFLEPERSYN TO REACH OUT TO TWICE THE EFFECTIVE RANGE THAT AN UNMAGNIFIED M4 CAN
     OH, LIKE INTO THE RANGES WHERE THE BOOTS CAN SAFELY CALL IN ARTY? WOOW WHAT A SMART COOKIE YOU ARE WITH YOUR 6MM SIG SPEAR
     Weaf :jv::nv: repeated this.
   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:56:08 JST givenup

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger wait doesn't it mean armalite rifle?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:56:08 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @givenup @nugger The original name was “A.N.U.S. Rifle, Model 15” but nobody wrote down what the acronym meant so they had to change it

   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:57:12 JST givenup

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger OH YEA WELL WHY DOES HTE IRA HAVE A SONG BAOUT ARMALITE RIFLES
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:58:26 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @givenup @nugger A(nus)R-15

     Armalite New Universal Service

     Rifle

     15(th attempt at getting it to cycle w/ steel case)

   • synapsid (synapsid@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 12:59:37 JST synapsid

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     >Dual brass-steel alloy case increasing manufacturing complexity and the required materials to make ammunition
     >80,000+ PSI out of short barrels is going to wear the shit out of them very quickly
     >100 rounds of 6.8 weighs about the same as 200 of 5.56
     I'm convinced the only reason the US went with the spear (outside of standard military industrial complex profit reasonings) is that the tungsten core penetrators can defeat NIJ IV civilian armor.
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   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:02:04 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     @synapsid @nugger Well I guess it's a good thing niggers and spics can't aim
   • leespringfield1903 (leespringfield1903@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:03:12 JST leespringfield1903

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger I read a post by some veteran from the era of the 1970s to 1980s that logistics is fucked.
     
     And trying to adopt this rifle will take about a decade or just be dropped.
     
     I read about what the spear comes with, and at face value its like a bloated up tacticool rifle.
     
     A folding stock, which is banned in several states, but also I doubt can be used to melee.
     
     Two charging handles.
     
     MLOK, which has a sharp learning curve in how to use.
     
     But yeah, it makes sense that they want a weapon to use for domestic police actions.
     
     Though liberals will lose their talking point that "AR-15" is weapon of war lol.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:03:12 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @leespringfield1903 @nugger See that’s what let me to my original take. It’s simply too silly and wasteful to be a logic-based decision, they had to have approved it out of a sense of paranoia, hate, or fear.

     Sure, they had their tales that they wanted to be able to take on a fully-armored chinaman/russkie w/ the codpiece plate at 600 yards, but they could have just bought a mountain of .308s to burn through all that ammunition they already own.

     I think it’s part graft, part jewed, part politics, part planning. They’re looking far forward, when they can cut off the domestic support structure of the AR platform in the long run, stop handing out cheap ammo and standardized, non-trademarked parts and designs at a price normies can afford. When you tally up all the little cultural aspects I can see how the ultimate idea ended up getting approved as it meandered through the system. Everyone’s getting a little something they wanted for a while.

     Plus they’ve had these gay carbine replacement competitions since I was a kid, and the Spear is at least less gay than buying a bunch of dumb HK 416’s with that heinous quad rail like they always gravitate towards.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:04:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @skylar @nugger Maybe your experience is diff. but I can’t think of many IRL boys who have enough AK ammo to last a lifetime. Even in the times of plenty they’d shrug and tell me they have 3 cases in the closet.

   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:04:19 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger uoh tummy
     and come on glowies folks have AKs too
   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:05:55 JST givenup

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     • leespringfield1903
     @nugger @leespringfield1903 @WashedOutGundamPilot i just don't ahve gun autism, i don't even think guns are that cool, i'm sorta indifferent to them.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:05:55 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 So you’re into like, vibrators or something?

     Guns are a natural outcropping of our hunger for historic, long-lived engineering. The stories, the design, the capability, the evolution all offers a thread to pull on no matter what type of autist you are, no matter how active or sedentary. Not too many hobbies scratch that

   • leespringfield1903 (leespringfield1903@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:05:56 JST leespringfield1903

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger The 20 inch barrel is so laser accurate and very low recoilish, which surprised me a lot.
   • nugger (nugger@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:05:56 JST nugger

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     @leespringfield1903 @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE 24" WITH A SMOL CAN AT THE END
     THEN AT LAST YOULL TRULY SNEED THAT THE LE BULLPUPS ARE LE FUTURE
   • Nierenstein: Romcom Villain Arc (nierenstein@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:11:37 JST Nierenstein: Romcom Villain Arc

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     @nugger @leespringfield1903 @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup Why have a can at the end when you could engineer a loudener to put at the end?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:11:37 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • leespringfield1903
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     @nierenstein @nugger @leespringfield1903 @givenup They already have those, all these cool compensators make life better for the shooter while seemingly blowing even more noise to his sides and front. Drives you crazy when someone’s popping those off next to you

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:13:27 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • leespringfield1903
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     @Shadowbroker2135 @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 well cap’n felon, yeh have some shoppin’ t’ do

   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:13:28 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     • leespringfield1903
     • givenup
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 I want to own a gun so I can walk around with it loaded, safety off, finger caressing the trigger around a bunch of gun safety spergs.
   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:13:28 JST givenup

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     @Shadowbroker2135 @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger @leespringfield1903 i acutally have a gun, i just don't care about it much
   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:13:28 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     @givenup @WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger @leespringfield1903 I can't own one being a horrible criminal. I'll admit I hate gun spergery out of jealousy.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:15:26 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Shadowbroker2135 @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 Dual-carry blackpowder carry really would just be totally bitchin

     Imagine being the medical examiner in the city for the 2024 election riots and pulling out big ass lead mushrooms from a looter and seeing the dirty black burns from contact shot

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:17:16 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • leespringfield1903
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     @Shadowbroker2135 @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 Probably illegal but there might be a loophole where these are “parts” or something. Would let you bring those things up to late 1890’s spec at least

   • Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:23:39 JST Rayfield

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     @Shadowbroker2135 @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 I remember seeing videos on youtube about a decade ago of one fully penetrating a wild hog, in one side and out the other into the dirt.
     
     A coworker of mine has a small caliber one that will break the sound barrier with the lightweight pellets.
   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:23:39 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     • Rayfield
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     @Rayfield @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 I saw .50 cal air rifle. You needed to hook it up to an air compressor every three shots though lol.
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   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:23:40 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 In Michigan they don't even let you have black powder rifles.
   • Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:23:40 JST Rayfield

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     @Shadowbroker2135 @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 How does Michigan feel about extremely powerful air rifles?
   • SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:23:40 JST SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp:

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     @Rayfield @WashedOutGundamPilot @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 I don't know but I've seen some nice ones that have me tempted to find out.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:24:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Shadowbroker2135 @Rayfield @givenup @nugger @leespringfield1903 They’re cool, I keep deferring the buy because I don’t want to go through the hassle of the infrastructure. Tank on property, etc if you want to be somewhat self sufficient between trips to town

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:31:39 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @GabeLakmann @nugger HK sucks ass, it’s only 80’s SOF nostalgia that keeps their brand in the premium column. Every product they have is 5 to 15 years behind the curve, they simply don’t have the same need to keep up like the industry here does.

     Euros, krauts, and their ilk are benchrest shooters, so all their civilian spec stuff is geared towards a single stack, 10-rd POS with heavy ass quad rails and dopey ergonomics. (they just love those dumb 11-oz rubber pads on everything) It took them what, like, a full 6 years to switch from their faggy bespoke HK-keymod to normal, lightweight Mlok? And they refused to widen their magwell to standard AR spec for more than a decade so you’d buy their $50 steel mags? (Thank the USMC for ending that, I assume)

     Don’t even get me started on retardo boomers bragging about paying $500 for “genuine HK416 forgings” so they can build the ultimate bin laden rifle. The whole thing is just another boomer bubble, HK is resting on its laurels from the old days.

   • GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:31:40 JST GabeLakmann

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     The switch to SIG stuff is SOLELY to fill the pockets of the filthy kike CEO of SigSauer Ron Cohen.
     
     Most new sig stuff is trash anyways and over priced, especially considered they outsource the QC/R&D to the consumers now.
     
     Say what you want about HK but they make nice stuff and cut off sales to israel for being violent kikes. Ron Cohen armed cartel members and paid his way out of going to jail.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:33:42 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @GabeLakmann @Red_Hat @nugger Glock had the contract but got severely undercut, rumor has it the Sig team did some snooping/gossiping and found out what the parts cost was so they could undercut the final price. I think they even take a mild loss on the M17 in the original deal, knowing perfectly they’ll make that money back in spades from the collector cachet.

     That’s just the water cooler talk tho, and I don’t remember much aside from the usual shenanigans you see in sales

   • GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:33:43 JST GabeLakmann

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     Yup, they botched that BIG TIME. Should've just went with a Smith & Wesson MP pistol that is made in the US or even a Glock.
     
     Both are proven and good pistols.
   • FED Enjoyer (red_hat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:33:44 JST FED Enjoyer

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     1000%. They will die before admitting the P320 is entirely fucked.
   • leespringfield1903 (leespringfield1903@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:40:14 JST leespringfield1903

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @GabeLakmann @nugger That rifle reminds me of movies from the 1980s and 1990s lol.
     
     Looks so ancient lol.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:40:14 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @leespringfield1903 @GabeLakmann @nugger They DID have it pretty much finished in 2003, I think. By the time the marines bought it in bulk it was already pretty aged on the commercial market. Not bad to have a pic rail for those guys, since it works and it’s durable, it just retained heat more than you’d expect for a piston, and it ended up feeling just as heavy as a 20” despite being a carbine.

     I just hate it, HK refuses to ever learn a lesson from anyone but their own internal company men. Fixed, heavy sights when everyone else is cutting weight there? Ew. The american competition are moving to negative space rails with lots of cuts to alleviate weight and let the barrel cool better? Gross, we know better than that, we’ll design our OWN version of your freely licensed, open-source spec so all your accessories can’t interface with our rail! And we’ll minimize machine ops too, so it STILL comes out heavier and hotter than yours!

     But people love them because governments like buying it, so they’re always in video games. Our dads like them because they were in movies as the cool MP5/P7 duo of 80’s action movies and balaclava’d SOF teams everywhere

   • GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:40:47 JST GabeLakmann

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     No that is absolutely true. They expected to make the loss up on acessories and service though but the civilians who want to buy military shit without doing research was just a bonus.
     
     Ron Cohen bought cocaine and hookers for the military/government people and bribed them too.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 13:41:52 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @GabeLakmann @Red_Hat @nugger Kinda serves glock right though, they didn’t do much different back in their early days getting LE contracts. I’m just bummed because the glock deserved the win, would have been nice because I don’t see the sig lasting as long in use. Security teams will still be using the basic glock system in 200 years though.