@Fu the only problem is you don't know why someone crossed the desert. Maybe they want to be American. Maybe they chant death to Americans. Our presence around the world isn't always appreciated, and an open border gives opportunity to those who feel wronged by America to return the favor. As much as I think government is waste I think as long as nation states exist it is probably in their citizens best interests to keep tabs on entry.
@thatguyoverthere I don't want governments keeping track of me or anyone else. Treating people differently based on where they happen to have been born is immoral. People born in the states are more likely to commit terrorism in America than those from other lands. Don't take what the #MSM tells you so seriously.
@fu@Fu I feel like you seem to reversed what I said (I own my property and the state acts on my behalf) and twisted it into the exact opposite (citizenry is subservient to the state and we are given property in a weird communist splitting up of state resources or something). No I own my property because it was purchased from a bank. The mortgage is paid off so it's as close to real property ownership as you can get.
Truthfully yes where I live property ownership rights are less than ideal. The state can take your property because of a failure to pay taxes. That's not ownership in my opinion, but I'd be surprised if there is a state with better property rights, especially with how sensitive people in the west tend to be about firearms and I don't think you have property rights if you can't shoot people who breech those rights.
It's funny how every time I say something like "maybe enforcing state border policy isn't a terrible plan if we're going to call ourselves a state" it comes down to "so you want me to ask your permission to have my friend come over for dinner". It's like everyone is reading from the same apologists handbook or something.
If you are an anarchist cool bro, but I don't know of anywhere that has no government that I would like to live right now. If you know of a place, by all means share. As long as states exist and I live in one, I think enforcing the laws that exist makes more sense than not enforcing laws but keeping them on the books. I do think we have too many laws, but with regard to border policy it seems like plenty of people have migrated to the US with the current policies without too much problem. I have multiple foreign born family members myself. I'd still be open to streamlining and reducing some beauracracy wherever possible, but to imagine that the border should be completely unmonitored is just crazy. Like what is a nation if not a line around a geography?
@ahuka@Fu@thatguyoverthere LOL! So, you live in some kind of country where individuals' claim to rights of personal real property are subservient to the government rights to property you claim to own? Sounds like some kind of collectivist nonsense Communist hellhole where I need to get my neighbor's approval before I can have my friend come for dinner.